News Of SETI Signal Just Bad Reporting

The Bad Astronomer writes "Rumors have been flying in recent days that the SETI project has received a strong signal from space, indicating the possibility of intelligent extraterrestrial life. Bad Astronomy breaks down the origins of this (false) claim, which mostly amounts to a heaping helping of shoddy journalism. 'I just talked to Dan Wertheimer, the astronomer quoted in the article. He told me that the original interview was about sending signals into space (so-called active SETI) as opposed to just listening for aliens. After the interview, he talked to the reporter about some of the astronomy he does, including looking at what are called radio transients: bursts of radio waves that are seen once and never repeat. These may come from one-off events like colliding neutron stars, exploding stars, and so on. Somehow, in the article the reporter mixed up the observation of the transient signals with detecting a signal from E.T.'"

Must be aliens

Only the true messiah would deny his divinity.

Ergo...I think this denial is a sure sign that SETI has found something.

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Actually it would make sense that this is a reversal for the sake of coverup, the world already has lots of civil unrest, actual alien contact could spin it all out of control and everyone goes apeshit for a while, until we realize the signal is from a lon

Re:Must be aliens

"actual alien contact could spin it all out of control and everyone goes apeshit for a while"

no it wouldn't. Not at all, please stop spouting Hollywood nonsense.

Wait, I am the messiah...

See... he's the messiah!

Welcome

I for one welcome our incompetent journalist overlords.

Re:Welcome

Well sure, you read Slashdot, don't you? :)

Re:Welcome

No, that would be our "dupe overlords".

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Fox News?

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FOX News is to the right of the Left, and to the right of the Center. But it isn't as far to the right (with respect to the Center) as the Left is to the left of the Center--the Center being simple boring neutral news worth reading, without any extra inter

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You better! If you don't, they will write you out of reality!

This debunking is the first I heard of this "news". I guess I don't follow enough blogs...

My favorite Stupid Journalist story, reported by Herb Caen, concerns a modern poet. A journalist asked hi

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May I quote you on that for an article I'm writing?

"'Welcome' Signals Received from Incompetent Slashdot Overlords"

Conspiracy

It really was alien, but the aliens are already here, and they're covering it up so they can terraform our planet with global warming.

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Are you suggesting you've never noticed how odd Republicans are, and wondered?

Incompetence

Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.

That saying proves itself everyday. I know most people don't understand science, but if you are reporting on it at least pay attention long enough to accurately report what you were told by someone who does understand. Why do people think it's ok to be proud of their ignorance? Its one thing to own your weaknesses having tried and failed, but it seems like most non-technical people stopped trying.

Re:Incompetence

I had a brief stint as a journalist - I always repeated back to my sources what I understood them to mean.

They often corrected me.

When I did a feature on a person, even a critical piece, I would send a draft to them before I submitted the article - usually there were no corrections - but when there were - they were vital.

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I see why your stint was short. You were a good journalist, rather than an idiotic sensationalist one ... there's just no market for that any more. :(

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I never let a source control my story - but I did let them know what was coming, and give them their shot at refuting my findings.

One of my stories generated hundreds of hate emails to the subject, and he couldn't really deny any of the allegations in my a

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I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here (imagine a journalist doing that...). This guy said he referred back to his sources for accuracy in data-collection, which is tantamount to accuracy in reporting. Yes, it's great if you can do this all during the interview, but going to press afterwards with reckless disregard for the facts is hardly "letting a source control the story." Moreover, the idea that the journalist 'controls' the story is asinine in itself. In the parent article about SETI, the journalist was obviously 'controlling' the story - thanks to his own moronic misunderstanding of the facts of the situation. I don't know about most readers here, but that's not my idea of quality journalism. Get the facts straight, understand what you're talking about, and fact-check your goddamn articles before you go to press. If that means clarifying a source's information after the interview, whether it's their quotations or the concepts behind them, then so be it: the telephone and wikipedia are your friends.

A good journalist reports the facts accurately and objectively, even if it means going back to get something you missed or muddied during the interview. And the only thing controlling the story should be the truth. If you believe anything else, you're nothing but a hack whose willing to peddle any old dogshit for a moment in the limelight - the world doesn't need any more of those kinds of people.

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It's not non-technical people in general: it's journalists in particular. My father, a retired journalist himeslf, used to tell me that journalists are the most ignorant people of all. And unrepentant.

Next assignment

Stay tuned for this reporter's interview with a McDonald's manager. It turns out he actually invented cows!

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Given what they're passing off for meat on the McDonald's Value Menu these days, I wouldn't be too surprised if one of them created a nasty, cardboard-flavored version of a cow.

Re:Next assignment

When I was 16 (I'm 23 now) I did a one year stint in a McDonalds. I don't know if it's the same now as it was then, but when I was working there the boxes that the meat came in were all stamped USDA Grade A Beef. The problem is that for potential lawsuit reasons, McDonalds cooks all it's burgers to well done. When I worked there, for my dinner I would make one medium rare. This will sound crazy, but when they are cooked right (at least back then...again, don't know if this applies now) it made for one of the best burgers I've had anywhere.

The beef is actually very high quality...it just gets cooked into oblivion (and cooked very quickly, at that...from walk-in refrigerator to ready-for-burger in about a minute and a half...not the best of ways to cook meat if taste is of any concern.)

The trouble with Journalists...

Is that they aren't likely to let the facts get in the way of a good story.

It also pisses me off greatly when newsreaders append their own opinion to the end of a news story. You are a newsreader dammit. Just supply the facts and let people make up their own mind - that is if it is possible for you to supply the facts without your personal bias in the first place.

The original article

Here's the cached article: Has E.T. Made A Call? [209.85.173.104] [Google]

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Here's the cached article: Has E.T. Made A Call?

Well, it would explain why my Speak-n-spell was taken apart...

Bad reporting?

.. or awesome publicity stunt?

Pay no attention to the sig

Mr. Harley: Your impatience is quite understandable.
Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.
Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry... I wish it were otherwise.

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I hate that fucking movie.

Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.

You mean stupidity like walking up to a line of nervous soldiers (members of a hostile race you have supposedly studied) pointing guns at him, pointin

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And forget the whole "we willingly bend over for our robot overlords" thing. If they aren't stupid, why do they need an army of MechanoMonsters policing them?

You might not have liked the movie, but I for one welcome out robot overlords...

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You might not have liked the movie, but I for one welcome out robot overlords...

Especially if our groovy overlords have big chins and chain saw arms.

links to cached article

At the bottom of the blog post I put a link to the cached article, and I took a snapshot of it which is on my Flickr account. It's all linked on the blog.

Journalism

The problem with journalism is that journalists tend to report on so many different topics, they often don't really understand them. It's like if a programmer was given a totally different assignment every day. Even the best one couldn't do a good job because it would take weeks for them to understand how things work and all the terminology.

Ideally, instead of relatively few full time journalists, they should have many part time journalists who work full time in the industry they report on. The quality of the writing might suffer a bit, but it would be far more accurate.

Fortunately, we are seeing the rise of blogs where there are many people who know what they are talking about.

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I agree. It's very easy now to find, for example, astronomy news on blogs where the author knows what they are talking about (cough cough). Universe Today [universetoday.com] is a great example, and there are many others. The mainstream media have shot themselves in the foot over the past few years; very few have any dedicated science reporters, but the public *likes* science stories. So folks turn to teh intertoobs, and I for one welcome our new public overlords.

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Fortunately, we are seeing the rise of blogs where there are many people who know what they are talking about.

Sweet! Can you point me to those? Most of what I see is Jane Doe posting the x^nth picture of her stupid, lazy cat curled up in a ball with a "cute" caption like "The REAL Boss Around Here!"

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Sweet! Can you point me to those?

Here are some:

http://www.crypto.com/blog/ [crypto.com]
http://www.badscience.net/ [badscience.net]
http://www.schneier.com/blog/ [schneier.com]

With such an article...

it wouldn't surprise me if it said that at the time of the recieval, the equipment was "pointed at Uranus"

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Ah, ha! We found you out, Mr Alien. No human being would use a word like recieval when they actually meant reception. Now take off that fake beard...

wishing

  The web, as a reflection of the population as a whole, is chock full of wishful thinking about fantasies. The youtubes seemed to be clogged with "evidence" of UFOs, angels, monsters, ghosts, etc.

  Frankly, it's a little disappointing to see a lack of critical thinking. I'm all for discovering amazing new things, in any topic. But defending the stories wholesale under the guise of "how can you deny all the evidence?" kinda paints a picture of cultist mentality. Somewhat scary and journalists are not immune. They just want something that sounds like a "scoop" and grab the eyeballs (and sell the ads).

  SETI is a worthwhile endeavor to me, but of course they'd hold a press conference if something big didn't filter away.

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So remember when your feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there intelligent life somewhere up in space,
Cause theres bugger all down here on Earth.

Stephenville, Texas

After the interview, he talked to the reporter about some of the astronomy he does, including looking at what are called radio transients: bursts of radio waves that are seen once and never repeat. These may come from one-off events like colliding neutron

Not to worry...

Should the reporter get fired, he has a great future as a Slashdot editor.

The Onion?

Oh, my! I read the original cached article and it read exactly like something from The Onion [theonion.com]. Even the quotes seemed like the fake quotes even if they were real quotes taken out of context.

Cover up, the message was translated

It did come from a system that went Nova though. Signal, "What's up with the sun? Oh shiiiitttttt........".

Good luck finding us

Not knowing much about how SETI is designed, I know that we're a moving solar system so if an alien on another moving planet received a signal from a certain broadcast direction and just reflected the beam in the direction of greatest strength, perhaps in

What really bothers me about this

Is that you know the reporter will keep his job. If you're dumb enough to misinterpret by that degree the words that someone spoke to you, then you should have no job reporting on anything.

The article actually contained the sentence "Across the globe, researchers searching for signs of life in space were abuzz this week with word that a mystery signal has been picked up by a giant radio-telescope in Puerto Rico."

This was not just a science neophyte failing to understand big sciency words, this was a reporter blatantly making shit up.

Journalism problems famous joke

This reminds me of the famous joke about problems taking down what people are saying, when one of the monks translating the Bible decides to go back to the scrolls, and comes running out screaming, "CelebRATE! it says celebRATE!"

poor reporting shouldn't be tolerated

reporters should be made accountable for their actions, so often, when disscussing a particular scientific subject, reporters discuss the mainstream view and for good measure bring in this bearded nutcase to discuss his highly controversial but completely

Journalism

Journalsim, noun 1) the ill-advised idea that someone with half an English degree and an ethics course can accurately and authoritatively report on highly technical fields with which he or she has absolutely no practical experience and whose understanding

Well if E.T. is playing

pool with neutron stars then maybe the reporter is correct?

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Absolutly it would be announced.
Seriously, take a moment and think about it. SETI isn't under constant observation from the government and it's full of people who want others to know, not to mention the historic value of having your name associated with t