Astronaut to Run the Boston Marathon From Space 176
BostonBehindTheScenes writes "American astronaut Sunita Williams will run 26.2 miles on a treadmill on Patriot's Day (April 16th for those of you outside of Massachusetts) while runners on the ground will compete in the 111th Boston Marathon, according to this New Scientist article.
And yes, she is an actual registered participant who qualified by finishing among the top 100 women in the Houston Marathon in 2006. NASA's press release touts this as yet another space first."
Pork. (Score:5, Funny)
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Hint - it is one of the non-US components.
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Speaking as an American, I'm perfectly happy to let the Europeans pay my taxes. *duck*
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IIRC It was MIR2 leftovers which Russians contributed to the space station project and it counted as their contribution.
It probably still has MIR2 labels here and there. It was launched without insurance and without backup because NASA did not want to pay for it (for the exact reason that they did not pay for it in first place and did not contract it and define the spec). So no govt pork involved there either AFAIK.
There was some American money involved though, but it had nothing t
She'll finish first, though (Score:5, Funny)
How many steps does it take to complete a marathon from low earth orbit? A one
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Is this really fair? (Score:3, Insightful)
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At the same time though, in General Relativity a gravitational field is equivalent to an accelerating frame of reference (or something like that...), so the sum total gravitational effects experienced in the spacecraft's frame of reference is near zero.
It could be argued that "zero gravity" is misleading as it will help perpetuate the common myth that weightlessness is due to being beyond the Earth's gravity, rather than it being cancelled out due to the acceleration, but nonetheless, that's a term used to refer to it, and I think it's clear that the OP wasn't misunderstanding the differences.
I'd question that labelling it as "scientifically inaccurate" constitutes POV, especially when it is backed up only by one person, who is described as a journalist and historian, not a scientist.
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About the only people who use the term "Zero G" is one particular for-profit company doing simulated "weightlessness" and media/PR types.
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Obviously the "relative" distance and velocity are different if you are talking "true" acceleration, but that is exactly where the seman
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Sure the astronauts have to do SOMETHING to kill time on the ISS, but I hope Nasa doesn't launch into some sappy ploy about how this is advancing science - unless it is actually true.
Jokes about taxpayer-funded oxygen aside, the US is paying about $4BN per year [wikipedia.org] for the ISS (including its share of the Shuttle). Assume (generously) that of the 3 people aboard, 2 are Americans. That works out to $3,800 per person per minute, or just slightly under $1 milli
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5,662nd place
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see: here [baa.org]
(By the way, she is bib # 11469. I wonder if she has her official bib and Champion Chips (that that the chip would do much good...)
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MOM! (Score:5, Funny)
Sunie, Cut it out. Don't antaonize your sister.
But, I gotta win the maaarathonn.
Well, do it quietly, dear. Your sister has experiments to conduct.
Treadmill vs road (Score:5, Interesting)
There's a big difference between running on a treadmill and on a road (besides the boring factor): the relative wind resistance you experience when you move has a very significant impact on your speed. A rule of thumb is that you have to subtract about 1 km/h to your treadmill speed in order to have an idea on how fast you can go on the road.
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She's going to have tethers to keep her down. As a runner, I think it would be an interesting approximation of running.
While the impact against the treadmill could well be compared to gravity, I wonder whether the zero-gravity will make it harder for her heart to pump blood to her legs. I couldn't imagine running upside down.
Also, having run on the treadmill, I think a good approximation of running outside would be to set the incline to about 1.5%. Of course, that starts to disproportionately work out your quads as opposed to your hamstrings.
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It's still a long way to run on the treadmill, though.
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Imagine, instead of a runner, a car on a giant treadmill. Assuming that the treadmill is moving at a fixed rate (that is, the force the car places on the belt doesn't affect the belt's speed) the car must do more work to stay in place if the treadmill is at an incline. That's because, while the wheels are turning at the same speed, the car must use more force to counteract the force of gravity.
Where does the extra work go? The car's force on the belt wou
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I don't think that resistance is quite the right word, but I agree with you in general - what she's doing shouldn't qualify as running the marathon. The biggest problem with long-term space travel is bone loss, and NASA has already proven that just tethering a person to a treadmil and letting them exercise doesn't fix the problem. They still lose bone mass. That's all the proof I need that what she's doing isn't the same as running on earth.
Still, there is a bright side to this. This might just be the longest run on a treadmill in zero-g. And since she has run marathons on the ground, she will be in a good position to report what the differences are and maybe this will lead to better zero-g exercise equipment.
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Yes, I know this is Slashdot. But I'm a geek and a passionate marathon runner as well... There's a big difference between running on a treadmill and on a road (besides the boring factor): the relative wind resistance you experience when you move has a very significant impact on your speed. A rule of thumb is that you have to subtract about 1 km/h to your treadmill speed in order to have an idea on how fast you can go on the road.
I run as well (and cycle), and there's just no comparison. Treadmill surface
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4 Degrees? haven't you been to the gym, or watched Rocky IV? They go a bit more than 4 degrees. While I admit that actual running on actual hills it a lot harder on you, if you happen to live where there only is flat land, then the treadmill may be the best hill you have.
I don't run indoors. Too damned depressing. Also, all the Rocky movies after the first sucked. And I do live in a fairly hilly area, with some 20-30 degree hills, and I haven't seen the treadmill yet that can do that.
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Most treadmills will do at least 10% (incline? grade? I don't know), the good ones will go to 15. Unless you're trail running, you're not running up 20-30% grades. There are damn few roads over 18%, and most of the time that's for very short distances.
Indeed I am trail running! That's another thing I don't get on a treadmill: Dirt. In any event, I've never seen the point of paying well over a thousand dollars (with the incline capabilities you mention, I imagine) for something I can do for free by simpl
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The first is that I (and many I know) find my actual running style is different on a treadmill than 'self-propelled'.
Second is the physcological factors - the fact that when out running, my mind has to do a certain amount of work paying attention to where I am going, the surface, other road/pavement users etc this means consiously I can 'turn-off', whereas on a treadmill I need to think about something, and even though the treadmills at my gym have TVs and they might even be showing something I am interested in, I still spend a great deal of time looking around, still in 'vigilant mode'; The fact that I *can* step off at any time, ultimately means that after 4 or 5 miles I *will* just do that, when you are 5 miles from home, you just keep going, you can stop but you still have to at least walk home -so I keep running.
The other factor that would make a treadmill marathon more difficult is the lack of crowd, people cheering on and other runners really do spur you on when things get tough.
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treadmills take less energy to use then running. That, no gravity, and have vry clean air will make a marathon on the treadmill much easier.
I would wager if your goal was marathon distance on a treadmill, and you were being watched, you could probably give it a damn good try.
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I assume your not a runner because you would know that (as I stated in my parent post) that distance running is as much if not more to do with psychology than simple physics. And anyway I did also point out that a find that my running style (and quite possibly therefore my efficiency) is different on a treadmill.
But considering you are such an expert how about this -
YOU do a marathon on a treadmill, I will do the New York marathon on the streets of New York, because I know that r
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Besides, outside is so much prettier.
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I run too hard and fast for my body to support and I find that I can't keep running for more than a few minutes before I need to slow down and catch my breath. My pace keeps creeping up faster and faster because I'm too impatient. On the treadmill I can adjust speed in small steady increments so that I can run at the fastest pace that I can maintain without having to take breaks be
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In fact I'm training for an ultra now, which may suit my running style even better.
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So, I have to ask a stupid question then. Why do you bother running at the gym at all?
No it isn't a stupid question. Basically for three reasons -
1. Warming up before stretching, which is before resistance or floor work, and then warming down. As a rule to warm up I like to do around 10 minutes at 8.5+ mph. Otherwise I find I am not lose or warm enough to start exercise proper.
2. Running on the treadmill allows me to work at specific paces - I increased my 'natural' pace from 8 to 8.5 mph over the last year by running at at least that pace on the treadmill, this was then reflected in the
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I dare you to run on a real road in Zero G. I bet you cant make it past the first step!
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Also remember the obvious gravitational difference. When running in free-fall, I can push off the ground and coast 26.2 miles in a single step. A major resistance in running comes from gravity, because we have to bend our legs to buckle to gravity somewhat, and then straighten them to counteract gravity again. That takes a lot of energy over a marathon. The only
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What are you saying? That there is no gravity in Houston? Her "claim" to have run a marathon refers to having run one last year -- on Earth.
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What she SHOULD do is start her own marathon -- the 2007 Space Marathon! She'll win because she'll be the only one in it.
Obligatory: Fine! I'll start my own marathon! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the marathon and the blackjack!
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I heard she really trained for this (Score:2)
HAND.
That place is gonna smell... (Score:4, Funny)
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According to some astronauts, anyways.
In fact, a Russian smuggled a ciderette on board and lit it up. While it did take 2 weeks to get it cmpletly filtered, the smell is gone.
Patriots' Day (Score:5, Informative)
We in Massachusetts have been observing this day long before a certain President co-opted the name to add a bit of jingo to the commemoration of a certain day in September.
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Tell us what we REALLY want to know! (Score:5, Funny)
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Of course, how else do you think she's going to last several hours without going to the bathroom?
Have you never driven a long trip with a women in your car? *sigh*
Do I hear a rumbling at Arlington Cemetery? (Score:3, Funny)
Can you imagine if JFK was president now? "We choose to run on the space treadmill and do the other things not because they are easy but because they are publicity stunts!".
What next? Unix hacker to run the marathan from .. (Score:5, Funny)
I've got the plans for him (Score:2)
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Taking part in the marathon (Score:2, Funny)
think of the aliens! (Score:5, Funny)
In other news... (Score:2, Funny)
I'm disappointed... (Score:2)
Will she overheat? (Score:4, Insightful)
Will they generate an artificial headwind using a fan, or does the International Space Station have powerful air conditioning already?
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-GameMaster
Heart Break Hill (Score:2)
Robot proxy (Score:2)
Gona be a short (~5 sec) race... (Score:2, Funny)
Running marathon on my couch (Score:4, Funny)
She's going like 17000 mph, unfair (Score:2)
"sister marathons" in iraq (Score:3, Interesting)
Effects of running the Boston Marathon in space... (Score:3)
One of our greatest heroines (Score:2)
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I'm a patriot, and I can name it. It was the war of the treasonous, ungrateful colonists ;-)
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Idiot American (Score:2)
So I guess only American history buffs can be patriots then. The many brave European soldiers who fought, and died, opposing Nazi Germany's invasion of their homelands were not patriots because they had never heard of Lexington, or Concord.
And elsewhere... (Score:3, Funny)
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I think they already have that figured out.
"Williams runs at least four times a week in space, including two longer runs and two shorter ones, according to NASA. "
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