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NASA Engineers Work on New Spacesuits

Posted by Hemos on Mon Mar 26, 2007 08:15 AM
from the avoiding-diaper-jokes dept.
NotCoward writes "In labs at Johnson Space Center, away from the buzz about NASA's new spaceship and its new missions to the moon and Mars, a group of engineers are plodding away at another piece of the puzzle: spacesuits. Astronaut apparel has evolved over the decades from Mercury's aluminum foil-looking outfits to the bulky, 275-pound whites now used on jaunts outside the space station. While it's too early in the process to know how the new space suits will look, the space agency is hoping to make new suits both high-tech and low-maintenance."
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http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/biosuit-0716.html
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 26 2007, @08:30AM (#18486551)
    We won't feel that we're living in the future and its a wonderful time to be alive until they introduce fishbowl helmets like in golden age-style sci-fi cover art (e.g. Flynn's Lodestar [amazon.com] ). This nonsense about a white helmet with just a gold visor is making millions of children apathetic to the space program.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      I'm not sure if the poster was being serious or not, but imo there may be something to the idea in any case. The current generations are accustomed after dozens of space operas to seeing what amounts to "bling in space" on their fictional astronauts. The real thing and NASA seem stodgy and dull by comparison. Catching the imagination of the masses today is not going to happen with stuff that looks like the 60s. The spacesuits are one area where it might pay dividends to (quietly) approach apparel designers
    • by hey! (33014) on Monday March 26 2007, @09:38AM (#18487155) Homepage Journal
      My first reaction to the suit pictured in TFA was "don't astronauts ever need peripheral vision?" Especially as the helmet does not turn with their head.

      I suppose current generation astronauts just need to see whatever they working on, which is right in front of them. But I'd think that it would be psychologically uncomfortable to have your awareness of what is going on to either side cut off for long periods at a time. What if some evil, tentacled creature crawled out of a crater and was heading right for you? You'd never see it.

      Not to mention the risk of getting run over by a moon buggy while you are crossing the grounds of your base.
    • by Rei (128717) on Monday March 26 2007, @11:45AM (#18488509) Homepage
      Some designs under consideration are very sci-fi like. Even retro sci-fi. Currently, we use pressure suits. These are suits with an inner bladder that contains the air, and an outer layer that helps retain the bladder and conform it to the right shape. While they're designed to make it so that the suit is constant volume (because changing the volume takes extra work), you still waste a lot of energy bending the suit. There are two radical departures from this.

      1) Hard shell: These suits look like sci-fi powered armor, minus the power. There's already a few suits like this used for deep-sea diving. A hard shell suit is a rigid exoskeleton with smooth-sliding ball joints. The joints are the hardest point of the design, as you can't afford for them to leak, but you can't afford for them to resist your motion much, either. It takes many joints for a good suit to not constrain the wearers' motion too heavily.

      2) Skintight: Like in retro sci-fi where everyone walks around in spandex, this is actually a serious design. The tight suit itself provides direct pressure on the body. Even better, the fabric is slightly porous so that you can sweat into the vaccuum of space, so you don't need cooling. There's one big downside that has prevented widespread adoption of such suits: they're currently almost impossible to get on or off. Such a suit, to be practical, would need to be made of a fabric that can change size when exposed to a certain stimulus (electricity, air pressure, etc).
      • by CrazedWalrus (901897) on Monday March 26 2007, @12:22PM (#18488981) Journal

        outer layer that helps retain the bladder


        Speaking of retaining the bladder, will new designs incorporate strategically-located zippers? Or are we still going the Depends (tm) route? There's just something non-sexy about being a pee-pee-pants in space.
      • by Catbeller (118204) on Monday March 26 2007, @12:36PM (#18489201) Homepage
        I've always thought the skintight model was the way to go, if you really wanted to colonize zero g or any of the planets. The hardshell suit is just too complex and expensive. I wish NASA had the money to spend on some engineering studies again. Or that we had any imaginative engineers left in that field. NASA has been a trucking company for too long.

        I dunno about the actual work done on the skintight suits. Divers wear pretty tight outfits, and they manage somehow. Has any engineering been done in the last twenty years? As you say, new material are available.

        With a skintight suit, you could throw on a "parka" in the freezing shade, or wear a beadouin's cloak in the harsh sunlight. On Mars, you could toss on a really well insulated snowsuit and some good boots. In contruction zones in zero g or the moon, you could wear some sports armor to guard your knees and elbows.

        A skintight would be a lot less fatiguing to wear, be lighter to carry, leaks aren't the spectacular death that hardshell wearers worry over, and importantly, you can turn yor head. And if it were comfortable enough to wear full time, explosive decompression of the ship or habitat would be handled by slapping down your visor rather than, oh, dying 'cause it takes 90 minutes to suit up.
  • Liquid Oxygen (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MichaelSmith (789609) on Monday March 26 2007, @08:33AM (#18486571) Homepage Journal

    The apollo suits used two tanks of gaseous oxygen. The main tank at just over 1000 psi and the OPS backup tank at 6000 psi. The main tank was filled from a hose inside the LM. The OPS tank was filled once only on the ground.

    EVA time was limited first by the quantity of water for the sublimators and second by oxygen quantity. The battery life was also a limiting factor, but I think it came third by a long margin.

    Its not hard to carry more water for cooling. The reason it was in short supply on the moon was that the original designs for the PLSS didn't allow enough space.

    But those high pressure oxygen tanks are a real pain. The structure contributes to the overall mass. The volume pushes the mass up because it takes space. Temperature is a problem anyway because it increases gas pressure and reduces density.

    So if we are designing new suits I think we should find ways of stocking them with LOX. Probably in something like a vacuum flask. Maybe that is the next big step.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      You know what would be even better than that, at least if you asked the astronauts?

      In-suit coffee makers.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Why are all life support systems so temporary? Shouldn't there be some way to duplicate the process of the human body that transforms breathable air into exaust, but in the opposite direction? I could see something like that being very bulky and definatly not the next step, but perhaps the next leap should be towards an suit that maintains a balanced environment cycle by recycling human exausts.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        The chemistry of that seems a little difficult. Human metabolism works by a redox reaction with atmospheric oxygen as the oxidizer. That's convenient for us as we don't have to store an oxidizer in our tissues, only the fuel.

        As in any redox reaction, the exhaust -- CO2 in this case -- is a lower energy state. Moving the process in the opposite would require quite a bit of energy. In a small device like a space suit, the only practical source of large amounts of energy is a chemical reaction. So now we'
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        We could, but the reason we don't re-split in most cases is power.

        For example, a spaceship on a journey to mars, powered by a nuclear reactor could indeed use a system to split CO2/H20 back into C, H2, and O2. It'd take loads of juice and likely be quite bulky, but it'd work. You stick the hydrogen into the fuel tanks, breath the O2 again, and either store or eject the carbon. It might even make sense over carrying six months to two years* of O2. This is, of course, assuming that we don't go the organic
  • FTFA... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Mizled (1000175) on Monday March 26 2007, @08:41AM (#18486617) Homepage

    From the article...

    At the top of the list is making the next spacesuit smaller and lighter - engineers are hoping to halve the 200-pound weight of the suit and life support backpack that Apollo astronauts lugged around.

    It will be interesting to see what type of designs they come up with and how they will strip the suits of a good 125-130 pounds. It would be funny to see them go back to something more retro looking like the new Spaceshuttle they're building. =p

  • Sound advice... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by tygerstripes (832644) on Monday March 26 2007, @08:42AM (#18486623)
    To quote the tragically-underexposed '80s BBC film-noir-in-space show Star Cops [imdb.com], regarding space:

    "Anything you forget to take with you will kill you; anything you do remember to bring but that doesn't work will kill you; and if you're in any doubt, assume everything will kill you."

    Sound advice, although I suspect the missus takes it to heart whenever we go on holiday for a weekend.

  • by Rogerborg (306625) on Monday March 26 2007, @08:46AM (#18486651) Homepage

    Wven with the current USD-Sterling exchange rate.

    Wait... did you mean that it "weighs" 39.2857 cloves [clara.net]?

    Seriously; can we please try to use metric consistently, as NASA are finally doing themselves.

  • by scottennis (225462) on Monday March 26 2007, @08:50AM (#18486679) Homepage
    Will they come with a knife, rubber mallet, bb gun, tubing and pepper spray?
    You never know when an astronaut might need those things.
    (I'm assuming the diapers will still be included.)
  • by Chelloveck (14643) on Monday March 26 2007, @09:14AM (#18486891) Homepage

    [...] the space agency is hoping to make new suits both high-tech and low-maintenance.

    Nothing like setting out with two mutually exclusive goals.

  • Wishful thinking (Score:4, Insightful)

    by J05H (5625) on Monday March 26 2007, @09:28AM (#18487043) Homepage
    "NASA wants to make the new spacesuit usable for launch, at the space station and on the moon and Mars."

    There's one little problem with this. A suit designed for vacuum won't work properly on Mars. The Apollo suits (and STS/ISS EVA suits) use a form of insulation that will cause major user overheating in Mars' atmosphere. Also, most proposed Mars suits would use a life support system more like SCUBA tanks than current spacesuits, extremely low-power, easily re-filled and simple to maintain. It's more than just swapping out the upper parts of the suit based on task, some of what the article proposes won't work. The fundamental differences in environments will seriously hinder that plan.

    Another issue is that for a single-suit strategy this means that the astronauts coming back from the Moon will be bringing their filthy suits back with them. This means several days of breathing the dust, plus the dust will saturate the Orion capsule's cabin. Not a good plan for a reusable vehicle.

    Some of these issues can be resolved, others are just the different natures of the planets. Can tech developed for lunar exploration help with Mars? Sure, but it's not going to be the same spacesuits across all uses. Interfaces, communications, maybe parts of the life support pack, materials and assembly techniques will find crossover. The thing you don't want is to land on Mars only to realize that the vacuum-insulation in your suits is totally wrong and you can't do EVA without overheating. Even the difference between orbital suits and the lunar suits are huge, they are all different environments.

    The right suit for Mars is based, IMHO, around Mechanical Counter-Pressure (MCP) principals instead of constant-volume balloon suits. The MIT "BioSuit" and NASA's old Space Activity Suit are excellent examples. MCP suits (and SCUBA-type air supply) are the only current approaches that can lead to sub-100lb (~40kg for you metrics) suits for Mars exploration. The only spacesuit concept that might work across environments would be a Newtsuit-type hard suit, and even then it's going to be heavy.

    Josh
  • by AndroidCat (229562) on Monday March 26 2007, @09:40AM (#18487181) Homepage
    1. Have spacesuit
    2. Wander around on Earth until ETs pick them up
    3. Will travel!
  • by sconeu (64226) on Monday March 26 2007, @10:16AM (#18487523) Homepage Journal
    For those who are interested, the AIAA covered this [aiaa.org] [PDF] in the July 2006 issue of Aerospace America.
    • Re:Mars hyperbole (Score:5, Informative)

      by Gruturo (141223) on Monday March 26 2007, @09:34AM (#18487113)
      Are you joking?

      Mars' atmosphere is a lot thinner than Earth's, and the pressure at surface level is only 0.6% of Earth's. Even if supplied with breathable air, and heating, you wouldn't survive in the martian environment due to the extremely low pressure. The suits *have* to be airtight.

      • Re:Mars hyperbole (Score:5, Interesting)

        by First Person (51018) on Monday March 26 2007, @10:06AM (#18487441)

        The suits *have* to be airtight.

        You might be surprised to learn that this is not the case. Human skin is fairly resistant to vacuum. Abrasion, radiation protection, thermal insulation are more important considerations. Please read this article on space activity suits [wikipedia.org].

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      > The intrepid explorers will then feel an incredible burning sensation in their mouth, throat, and lungs
      > before dying the quick but allegedly-painful death of CO2 poisoning. The atmosphere of Mars is mostly carbon dioxide.

      Oops. Guilty as charged. For some inane reason I thought it was mostly nitrogen.

      On the other hand, CO2 is even better, because CO2 can be converted into molecular Oxygen through direct electrolysis. So... the hardware for quick jaunts outside is more complex than it would be under