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SpaceX's Falcon Launches... Sort Of

Posted by CmdrTaco on Wed Mar 21, 2007 08:29 AM
from the i-think-i-can-i-think-i-can dept.
JHarrison writes "Spaceflight Now is running a story on the SpaceX Falcon 1 launch yesterday. Those of you watching the stream will have no doubt noticed the telemetry failure at 04:50, and turns out that was more than them turning the webcast off.. "A year after its maiden flight met a disastrous end, the SpaceX booster lifted off at 9:10 p.m. EDT (0110 GMT Wednesday) from a remote launch pad on Omelek Island, part of a U.S. Army base at Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands. Controllers lost contact with the Falcon during the burn of the second stage that would have placed the rocket into orbit around Earth. "We did encounter, late in the second stage burn, a roll-control anomaly," Elon Musk, founder and chief executive officer of Space Exploration Technologies Corp., said in a post-launch call with reporters. Live video from cameras mounted aboard the rocket's second stage showed increasing oscillations about five minutes after liftoff, just before the public webcast was cut off. The rolling prevented the necessary speed to achieve a safe orbit, instead sending the stage on a suborbital trajectory back into the atmosphere.""
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  • by dreamchaser (49529) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @08:33AM (#18427239) Homepage Journal
    More is learned from failures than successes in most engineering endeavors. Hopefully they'll continue to refine their systems and will enjoy more success next time around.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      They will. In fact, Elon stated that all the difficult problems were surpassed, another test launch probably won't be needed, and the next launch will have actual payload.
      • by khallow (566160) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @10:24AM (#18428467)
        Or it means that he's out of money for more test launches. He has demonstrated two difficult aspects, liftoff and stage seperation. So I'm optimistic. But as I recall, he's said in the past that he'll evaluate the program after the first three launches. So far, he's had one utter failure and one that lost control in the second stage. He still needs to put something in orbit.
    • by Keebler71 (520908) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:57AM (#18428129) Journal
      Did anyone else watching the video notice the apparent contact between the 2nd stage nozzle and the interstage? I wonder if a TVC actuator was damaged leading to the nutation...
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        This is not trial and error; they didn't simply go to a junkyard, wled a bunch of pieces of interesting stuff together to make what they thought was a rocket, and then fired it off hoping it would work. They started from first principles, used known technologies and augmented them, then attempted to launch the thing, and will use the telemetry to improve the design. Trial-and-error was more what Robert Goddard was doing in the New Mexico desert.

        • Re:Insightful...? (Score:5, Interesting)

          by ePhil_One (634771) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:35AM (#18427847) Journal
          Haven't we been sending rockets up into space for quite some time now. I'd think the fundementals should be down pretty pat now, the time for spectacular failures has past.

          And yet we've lost two Space shuttles in recent memory. Space is not easy, rockets are enormously powerful devices that require light weight and experience a vast array of environments. Here a relatively minor thing went wrong, too much rotation, and the whole thing is now gone. Knowing how to do something and actually doing it are radically different things...

  • pfft (Score:3, Funny)

    by djupedal (584558) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @08:34AM (#18427251)
    I roll-control anomaly in your general direction!
  • Hell they made it higher than anything Rutan has put forward and the way people act Rutan is the second coming.

    Look, they are doing a great job. Second flight at they reached 200 miles! Thats beyond the ISS.
    • by devnullkac (223246) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:11AM (#18427587) Homepage

      Comment:

      Hell they made it higher than anything Rutan has put forward...
      Sig:

      Winners compare their achievments to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others

      • by jezor (51922) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:15AM (#18427631) Homepage
        Different result, not "better result." Rutan's Spaceship One is good for one valuable task (human suborbital flights); SpaceX's rockets for a totally different one (cargo lifting orbital flights). Both were formerly the sole province of the governments, so both add to the possibility of private exploration of space. {Prof. Jonathan}
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        Considering that the Rutan/Scaled Composites and the SpaceX efforts had two completely different sets of objectives, and that Scaled met their objectives completely, that is, winning the X Prize, while the SpaceX second attempt failed in its own mission, what exactly is the point here?

        To be sure, Rutan and company had setbacks in their early efforts. They engineered around them and ultimately met their goal and took home not only the prize but also the investments necessary for funding another generation o
  • Videos are up (Score:5, Informative)

    by savuporo (658486) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @08:52AM (#18427405)
    For those of you who didnt catch the webcast:
    YouTube : launch [youtube.com]
    SpaceX official, high-res: http://www.spacex.com/video_gallery.php [spacex.com]

    Five minutes of fame !
  • by toupsie (88295) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:06AM (#18427529) Homepage
    Just change the description of the vehicle from a spaceship to a ballistic missile and its a successful launch.
  • by Rob T Firefly (844560) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:07AM (#18427535) Homepage Journal
    Maybe it landed on Chris Kattan.
  • by decaym (12155) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:07AM (#18427543) Homepage

    Did anyone else notice the bump the Kestrel engine took during stage separation? On the 40MB video [spacex.com] from SpaceX, it happend at 3:28 in or at T+00:02:52 on the screen clock. Maybe this is normal for the engine, but it was rather odd looking to me.

    Also, there was a story [space.com] earlier that the 2nd launch was delayed "due to concerns over a thrust vector control pitch actuator on the Falcon 1 booster's second stage". I wonder if this came back to bite them?

    Finally, I'm impressed as hell that they could experience an abort after engine start yet still cycle back and launch in just another hour! When the Shuttle once aborted after engine start it took them a month to change out the engines and try again.

    • Did anyone else notice the bump the Kestrel engine took during stage separation? On the 40MB video from SpaceX, it happend at 3:28 in or at T+00:02:52 on the screen clock. Maybe this is normal for the engine, but it was rather odd looking to me. So far as is known, it didn't materially affect anything. The nozzle is made of Niobium which is quite malleable, and small dents only mildly modify the efficiency of the engine, and that's one of the known advantages of Niobium over other high temperature metals, a
  • by dosle (794546) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:10AM (#18427571)
    Do a barrel roll!
  • by jpellino (202698) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:20AM (#18427693)
    "We did encounter, late in the second stage burn, a roll-control anomaly"
    =
    "Rocket fall down go boom."

    Actually I think I know what the problem was. As it is son-of-paypal-entrpreneurism, the actual button for turning on the roll control was tiny and at the bottom of a large screen offering to upgrade to super turbo rocket engine pumps and 3% off your next tank of LOX.

    • Re:Rocket Science? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Aladrin (926209) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @08:39AM (#18427309)
      Maybe they just need to keep like they are doing. The whole reason that these guys exist is that 'NASA or Lockeheed or somebody' aren't good enough at it. They are slow, extremely cautious, and amazingly expensive. Outsourcing to them would be the same as doing nothing and is definitely not going to get them where they want to be, business-wise.
        • Re:Rocket Science? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Teancum (67324) <(ten.orezten) (ta) (gninroh_trebor)> on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:51AM (#18428043) Homepage Journal
          You got the quote wrong, and I would say that this is a general engineering principle as well:

          You can have your product done:

          1. reliably
          2. quickly
          3. cheaply


          Please choose only two of the above options!

          In the case of Boeing and Lockheed-Martin, they choose options 1 and 2. In the case of SpaceX, they have instead choosen options 1 and 3. This is where they are indeed doing something different than the more traditional companies. That Mr. Musk has deep pockets helps some, but he is trying to do it on the cheap and is willing to have some delays before he can have his dream. For government operations, they have to get results in four years or their budget will be cut (in the USA).

          If SpaceX were run like a government agency, they would have had their funding cut already, or some congressional oversight committee that would have mucked up the process by demanding more "oversight" in the form of increased paperwork and bureaucratic Bu**s***. Lucky for them, they only have to answer to one person who nearly everybody in the company knows on a first name basis... and he knows them too.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      No, its plain old engineering. There is hardly any science in building a two-stage liquid rocket in 2007. They arent doing something that isnt done before. What _is_ novel here is that for the first time, an orbital space launcher is built primarily with the profit motive in mind. No other company has really attempted that before ( or they have, but never gotten so close to pulling it off ). Thus also different design choices, different incentives and ultimately a price tag couple of times lower than your
      • Re:Rocket Science? (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Rei (128717) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @12:04PM (#18429819) Homepage
        It's not really the fact that it's not from one of the bloated aerospace giants that makes this cheap (although I'm sure it doesn't hurt). It's also not true that they're not doing something that hasn't been done before. For example, I'm having trouble thinking of any rockets that use their particular mix of pressure and structural stabilization. For example, some Atlas stages use "balloon tanks" that will outright collapse under their weight if not kept pressurized. Most other rockets are structurally stable that, were it not for the lack of propellants, they could launch without being pressurized and remain intact. Pressurization is just added support. The Falcon concept is a hybrid of this: it has enough support that it can be transported and erected unpressurized... barely. This makes transport and handling costs cheaper and less error prone than for balloon tank-based rockets, but gives a higher payload fraction than rockets which have better structural support.

        It's not without it's risks, of course. For example, it made the Falcon vulnerable to an accident a while back on Kwaj in which a reduction of pressure when draining a tank caused the tank to buckle. But in general, I think it makes for a nice design.

        Falcon really is, for the most part, a "from scratch" rocket, so there's a lot of new ground covered. Not everything is from scratch, of course; I seem to recall, as an example, that their pintle injectors for the Merlin were pretty much borrowed as-is from Apollo. They're also not having to do much materials science, although they helping pioneering some fields (for example, friction-stir welding; a few older rockets have switched to using it as well, but it's still pretty new to rocketry).
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Stop it *while they still have control* you mean. A rocket tumbling out of control back to earth is a danger.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      They never said they intentionally shut the engine down. The shutdown was an unavoidable side effect of a strong roll. Their quote was "If you have a significant roll, what could happen is that the propellants can centrifuge out."

      If the spacecraft is spinning, all the fuel is pushed to the outside walls of the tank and away from the fuel outlet at the center of the tank bottom. This leaves the fuel pumps with nothing to pump. Engine shut down. Rocket fall, go boom.
    • by decaym (12155) on Wednesday March 21 2007, @09:34AM (#18427831) Homepage
      It was carrying a demo sat, which is just a simlulator for an actual sattelite. There was no paid cargo on this flight. They did have a couple of small test packages from NASA for relaying flight data through the NASA tracking network and testing in flight destruct commanding (not to an actual destruction package I believe). Nothing was going to be in permanent orbit and the Falcon 1 i snot intended to go to the space station.