New Technique for Recycling PCBs

MattSparkes writes "PCBs from discarded computers, cellphones and other devices could be recycled less harmfully using a technique developed by researchers in China. Unlike current methods, it can be used to reclaim metals such as copper without releasing toxic fumes into the air. Only a small numbers of PCBs are currently recycled."

Bulding materials?

[TubeSteak (669689)]

They want to compact & use the non-metallic parts as building materials.

This raises the question: Will there still be toxins in these compacted objects? And will they come out when the structure is eventually demolished?

Even concrete has all kinds of nasty that leeches out when you turn it into a pile of rubble.

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[dmayle (200765)]

Eeeeeek!

I repeat, Eeeeeek!

All those lovely cancer causing fumes, sure we don't release them because we turn them into building materiel.

But... What happens when your neighbor's house built of this stuff catches fire? Sure, it's not something that happens often on the time scale of an individual, but when you consider the number of buildings as a whole, buildings burning down happens pretty damn often...

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[PC-PHIX (888080)]

However, if you burn PVC plastic, it gets converted into some particularly nasty dioxins and furans which are dangerously carcinogenic.

Thus, if you happen to be inside one of these buildings when they catch fire, you are really screwed!

Re:Bulding materials?

[Threni (635302)]

> Thus, if you happen to be inside one of these buildings when they catch fire, you are really screwed!

Yes, if you ever find yourself inside a burning building, my advice to you is to get out immediately.

Re:Bulding materials?

[ajs318 (655362)]

The plastic used for most PCB's is polyvinyl chloride

No it isn't. PCBs are made either from glass fibre (FR4) or resin-bonded fabric (CEM1). PVC would soften too much at soldering temperatures.

Re:Bulding materials?

[dido (9125)]

Right, now that I've looked it up, but the issues are still the same it would seem. Burning these types of boards to get at the metal is still something that you really don't want to do. They typically use brominated flame retardants [wikipedia.org] on these boards, which while they are generally inert and non-poisonous in their normal state, when burned they also produce deadly carcinogenic fumes, especially in the presence of copper [haloclean.com]. That makes that ingenious technique described in the article all the more useful: it separates the metallic and non-metallic components without burning.

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[ajs318 (655362)]

Well, the whole point is they're designed not to burn! Under fault conditions, electronic apparatus usually overheats; and the last thing you want it bursting into flames. PCB board, when it gets hot, generally just tends to smoulder a bit and cut off its own air supply. Usually, it's the overheating component that fails first; and once it goes open-circuit, the heat source is removed and the unpleasant fumes stop.

Pasta PCB

[iangoldby (552781)]

This reminds me of a story I heard about printing circuits on a sheet of pasta.

Pasta PCB [sciencemuseum.org.uk]

Once the protective coating is removed, the board quickly biodegrades, and the ICs and metal coatings can be easily reclaimed.

And here's a Pretty pasta picture [bbc.co.uk]

Re:Bulding materials?

[digitalchinky (650880)]

In the Philippines they really only burn insulated wire, car tyres, and anything with springs like beds and chairs. Electronics rarely make it to the dump sites these days, too much value to be thrown away, they usually end up in repair shops, stripped for spares. (I do a lot of work for a charity here on Smokey Mountain dump site in Manila)

You are right about the garbage falls, though it's usually the land slides that take out 200 people or more at a time.

That's better.

[Fantastic Lad (198284)]

I was getting tired of all the fear-mongering with regard to China. It's nice to see the editors pull up something positive about our neighbors to the East.

-FL

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[couchslug (175151)]

"I was getting tired of all the fear-mongering with regard to China."

The copper reclaimed from the circuit boards is being machined into shaped charge projectiles by the Sino-Jihadist Internationale, a shadowy Islamo-Maoist group. Just when we thought the Yellow Peril had receded, it reappears in a slightly browner incarnation.

How about...

[by Anonymous Coward]

someone recycling PHB's. Preferably into something useful.

Recycling

[wvmarle (1070040)]

Only a small numbers of PCBs are currently recycled.
Large quantities are being shipped to China for stripping of components and recovery of the copper. Especially now the copper price is so high. So I don't believe just a small number is being recycled - in the USA maybe, but not world wide!

Wouter.

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[lxt518052 (720422)]

I think the Chinese government's concern is not unjustified.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-05/ 2 4/content_445129.htm [chinadaily.com.cn]

Hi-tech waste being smuggled into China has caused big pollution because the method used to recycle them. Recycling is a generally good thing, but not so if the process actually causes harm to the local residents.

I think those waste exporters in developed countries are rather selfish in moving the problem to China and India, although it comes at no surprise to me in that th

PCBs

[asifyoucare (302582)]

PCBs - You mean printed circuit boards? It'd also be nice if we could recycle polychlorinated biphenyls (or if the Linux kernel could recycle process control blocks).

Prediction

[by Anonymous Coward]

We will be mining the landfills as soon as it becomes economically feasible. I think this will happen within a decade or so. They're full of tons of stuff we threw away before extracting all of the usefulness. It's metal-rich sludge full of useful organic matter to power the nanodigesters (or whatever we have to invent).

Not that you shouldn't recycle your aluminum and steel cans today.

Digging up the landfill years later

[lxt518052 (720422)]

is not a good idea if the toxic waste has already polluted soil and underground water system.

Re:Prediction

[Muad'Dave (255648)]

Me too, but most with regard to all of the barely used nuclear fuel rods languishing at reactors all over the country. There's a ton of energy left in them, and by burning up the actinides you're left with waste that's 'hot' for a faction of the time. From this Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org]:

Compared to current light-water reactors with a once-through fuel cycle that uses less than 1% of the energy in the uranium, the IFR has a very efficient (99.5% usage) fuel cycle.

and

Another important benefit of removing the long half-life transuranics from the waste cycle is that the remaining waste becomes a much shorter-term hazard. After the actinides and transuranics are removed from the spent fuel, the remaining waste elements have half lives of a few decades at most. The result is that within 300 years, such wastes are no more radioactive than the ores of natural radioactive elements.

This interview [nationalcenter.org] with George S. Stanford, Ph.D highlights the history and potential on IFR's.

UK WEEE requires electroincs recycling soon.

[throwaway18 (521472)]

I'm currently trying to make sense of the WEEE regulations. UK businesses that supply electronic products are required to register with a waste collection and recycling scheme by the 15th of march if they fall into vaguely defined categories covering most consumer products and some other stuff. A few months after that suppliers have to start taking back unwanted electronics.

The intention is the push the costs of disposal back to the manufacturer.
A director of a UK manufacturing company told me recently that the extra costs for him amount to 18% of turnover for no practical benefit.

It seems to be a full employment scheme for lawyers and beaurocrats. After reading lots of conflicting information on the web I tried reading the act of parliament that implements the European directive and was even more confused and outraged afterwards.
I'm sure there are lots of cases where people can argue over whether their product falss into the vaguely defined categories.

This is on top of CE marking, EMC, and ROHS. I'v seen companys discontinue products because it is just not worth the cost of redesigning to not use lead solder and other non-rohs stuff. With WEEE on top niche market electronics manufacturers just took a big hit.
Consideirng how easy it is to buy very very cheap, non-CE marked electronics direct from Hong Kong via ebay I worry about whats left of UK electronics manufacturing. It's been decimated by pacific rim competition over the last ten years already.

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[Detritus (11846)]

A director of a UK manufacturing company told me recently that the extra costs for him amount to 18% of turnover for no practical benefit.

No practical benefit? I'd think that proper disposal and recycling of his company's products is a practical benefit for society-at-large. It might even encourage the company to design products with a lower total life-cycle cost.

High-Temperature Furnaces

[Detritus (11846)]

Why not feed the waste into a high-temperature furnace, like those used to rip apart toxic chemical compounds into more benign elements and compounds?

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[lxt518052 (720422)]

Sure, but to generate the heat needed to sustain such high furnace temperature you've got to burn a large amount of fossil fuel. Note the carbon footprint I mentioned.

Also, heavy metals are not consumed by burning. Think about the pollution when it's escaped into the atomosphere.

With all these cost and danger, what have we gain from it? Not much is recycled. We just add tons of greenhouse gas to the planet.

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[Emetophobe (878584)]

Sure, we can mash up some circuit boards and make something. Burning them is silly.

Tell that to the poor people that are doing just that. http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsi d=81450 [expressindia.com] I saw a documentary about it a few years ago, people melting/burning PCBs for the copper/gold/whatever metal they can get their hands on. I saw women and kids burning old computer boards, they didn't seem to care that they were hovering right above the flames, inhaling the thick black smoke. I wish I could find

Follow up

[Emetophobe (878584)]

I happened to find a good story with a few pictures. http://www.ban.org/Library/ghosts_in.html [ban.org]

Here's a choice quote:

Every year Guiyu takes in more than a million tonnes of computer waste, earning its residents, according to mainland press reports, RMB1 billion. All day, every day, mountains of wire and other equipment are burned in Guiyu's streets to obtain copper and other scrap metals. Printed circuit boards are heated over charcoal burners to liberate them of computer chips that might be reusable. The boards are then soaked in acid to extract gold, and the waste dumped alongside or in the nearby Lianjiang River. Printer cartridges are ripped apart for their toner and recyclable aluminium, steel and plastic parts. Cathode-ray tubes are hammered open for their copper yokes.

The result is that the air, land and water on which local people depend have all been poisoned. Local well water is already undrinkable, even after boiling, and fresh supplies must be trucked in from the town of Chan Dim 15 kilometres away. According to the report: "It is extremely likely that due to the presence of PVC or brominated flame retardants in wire insulation, the emissions and ashes from such burning will contain high levels of both brominated and chlorinated dioxins and furans - two of the most deadly persistent organic pollutants. It is also highly likely that cancer-causing polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are present in the emissions and ash."

"Compared to the rest of China, this place has more miscarriages," says Doctor Li Fai-ping, who works in the maternity ward at the local Chao Yang Yiu Fai Hospital. "Babies simply die in the wombs. There are several cases a month." She adds that the Government has done nothing to assess the damage being done by the e-waste industry. "No scientists have come here to test the effects [of the pollution on the community]. We are sent to work here, we are scared too." "The fact that nobody knows of the dangers is the most depressing thing," says BAN researcher Jim Puckett, co-author of the report.

Acronym collision

[Phreakiture (547094)]

As usual, no acronym may ever be expanded, nor definition given, nor even enough info to get a clue, in a Slashdot story summary. The summary needs to somehow clarify that we are discussing Printed Circuit Boards, and not PolyChlorinated Biphenyls. Really big difference, and both are environmental/technological issues, but orders of magnitude different in impact.