Revisiting the Physics of Buckaroo Banzai 163
serutan writes "Shortly before the release of 'The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai: Across the 8th Dimension' in 1984, physicist Carl Sneider of U.C. Berkeley wrote a surprisingly interesting essay on the physics behind the movie. Since the essay is not widely available on the web and I could only find it in plain text, I posted a more readable HTML version on my site. Among the more interesting points Sneider makes are that the oscillation overthruster is the result of decades of research instead of the usual laboratory accident, and its development corresponds surprisingly well with the evolution of particle physics from the 1930s to the 80s."
Weird science (Score:5, Interesting)
There's no doubt a lot of fun speculation to be made here, but if you're going to get your science from the web, it's best to stay away from Slashdot.
Re:Weird science (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact that phrases like "intermediate vector bosons" tossed around in the movie actually have a connection of any sort at all to the issues being discussed puts BB already a few parsecs ahead of the typical S.F. junk that hollywood puts out.
I'd always thought of BB as a camp fantasy classic. It's refreshing to know that the writers actually knew a little science and applied it, even if the final product was entirely improbable.
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All the I know, is that The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai (Across the Seventh Dimension), was the worst thing that I ever ever got in charades once. My sister got Jaws!
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"I'm sorry it's the 'Moops'."
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Re:Weird science (Score:5, Interesting)
Fun stuff, and highly recommended if you really like Science Fiction, as you can see where much of it came from. The Philip José Farmer take on the characters later in the century is a different beast (enjoyable, but not what we're talking about). Things like ice bullets and enzymes are the high tech weapons, plus a little dabbling in the (even at the time) classics of SF like hollow world theory. (There was an official Doc Savage movie that was done to be camp and sucked monkey balls).
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Evan
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Well... (Score:2)
That doesn't really tell you much, though, does it.
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Re:Weird science (Score:4, Interesting)
Here's hoping that Raimi does wind up doing Doc (he recently got the rights to do movies based off of Street & Smith characters).
before physics was ... (Score:2)
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Thermodynamics is very much a part of physics, and it very definitely had practical applications long before then 1930s.
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein
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WWIII is being fought with the media.
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I'd say physics still isn't in the public consciousness as big science, although "nukulear" physics sure still seems to be, barely. After all, if it's not sla
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http://www.baen.com/library/aallston.htm [baen.com]
Enjoy!
steveha
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One of the things I found most charming about BB (which might be my favorite movie) was precisely the sense of ti
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Then there's the awful plot. Sigh. I had such hopes...
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They could probably get Peter, but Jeff has gotten very expensive. Yes, both characters were in the sequel.
I dunno (Score:3, Funny)
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Now excuse me while I go phlib my enjuntificator.
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That's disgusting.
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Or if you reverse the polarity.
Oh, many Shubs and Zuuls would know what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar if that happened I can tell you.
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Right. It's basically an inside joke. Most people think Buckaroo might as well be reversing the polarity of the neutron flow but a few people out there are really going to appreciate the effort put forth in creating the technobabblish scenes. And this sort of inside joke is a lot harder to pull off than throwing Gil Garrard's name into a Family guy episode.
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He only said that ONCE [wikiquote.org], for crying out loud! Why does everybody make such a fuss?
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Going thr
Re:Weird science (Score:4, Interesting)
If you left the field on a long time, yes you would possibly get a tunnel, as the particles would fall to the bottom of the region at which point their fields would turn back on, and there would possibly be... fusion? an explosion?
Disclaimer: I am not a particle physicist, but I do talk with them in the cafeteria...
Cool car mod (Score:5, Funny)
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Move fast enough, and banzai!, you tunnel through.
It is interesting to note that 'electron tunneling' is an actual term used in quantum physics.
Only make sure you don't use up your batteries too soon.
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Laugh-a while you can, Monkey Boy! (Score:2, Funny)
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What a great day to be on Slashdot! (Score:2)
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Indeed!
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Real soon!
(I knew I wasn't the only one with this idea)
Just remember (Score:3, Insightful)
This was already discussed by Londo Molari (Score:3, Informative)
He discussed it a long time ago in the far off, but rather close future.
Here is the link -
http://www.rogerborn.com/commentary/a-walk-among-
""These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others."
Best Quote (Score:2)
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Indeed a timeless line. I sometimes use this on my 9-year-old son (who watched the movie with me), and as often as not, my nickname for him is "monkey boy".
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He have any uncles?
Buckaroo Banzai was easy to identify with (Score:2)
Since BB was a Adventurer/surgeon/rock musician like most of us, he was easy to identify with.
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(I can't stand watching it now, because of the nasty 1980's rock-video hairstyles and costumes. But the dialog was some of the funniest stuff in cinema history - - big boo TAY!)
Buck-A-Roo! (Score:4, Funny)
Curse that headline. I thought this was going to be an article about the inner workings of some extreme version of Buckaroo! [firebox.com].
I was so disappointed when I found out it was about a sci-fi film.
Buck-A-Rooooo!
Just another jab at intelligent deisgn... (Score:1, Funny)
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Sometimes, even normally staid scientists can derive some pleasure in terminating the trajectory of anaerobic-decompositionally accelerated projectiles into cylindrically confined ichthyoids.
Or in this case, taunting the laughably ignorant fundies.
BZflag has benefitted (Score:1)
Kinda' makes ya think,donut?
He got to see the director's cut! (Score:2, Informative)
Dr. Sneider must have seen an early edit of the film in 1984. The home movie segment wasn't widely available until the recent DVD release.
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True, but since the scenes were filmed they may have been present in earlier edits of the film.
Lesson to be learned (Score:5, Funny)
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Yeah, but one heat-seeking missile and he's *history*.
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You wanna roll those dice?
truck authenticity (Score:2)
Perhaps I didn't notice it at the time because it was a common bug in US made gasoline engines of the era.
Thanks, guy. (Score:2)
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And now, you've got that stuck in your head instead. Bahahahaha!!!
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This is one of my all time favorite movies. Stylist wardrobe, excellent cast, fun characters, campy but a true classic.
It's on my iPod! (Score:2)
Copyright? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Only on Slashdot... (Score:1, Insightful)
Dare I ask whether this person has Dr. Sneider's permission...?
Timelinesss of Post (Score:1)
Atoms are mostly empty? (Score:2, Interesting)
But aren't these tiny marbles actually just a sort of bundle of waves? That what we think of as tiny parts of matter that give the hardness to matter not really hard
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Yes and no. I am too lazy to go look it up in my quantum textbook (it's been more than a decade since I graduated) but I remember being surprised to find that, when you actually integrate the wave function, you still come out with a high probability of a particle being localized to a fairly small area in space. That is, in principle the wave function extends through the
Important questions (Score:2)
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Right you are! (Score:2)
Now, if you want the other reason why it was there, watch the DVD with the commentary track. There was a lot of conflict going on over the movie, and they threw it in to see if the studio was even bothering to watch the dailies anymore. It turned out that they weren't.
I don't think it would work inside an atmosphere (Score:2, Informative)
Fair eno
Big Trouble in Little China (Score:3, Interesting)
Since I read this I can't watch BTiLC without thinking of Buckaroo and crew going deep under Chinatown.
Jonah HEX
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That's false. I recently had the pleasure to view the recent DVD release of BTiLC. One of the special features discusses how the film was developed. There is no mention of BB in there. In fact, the original script was set in the Old West. My memory is vague. But I'm fairly sure that the trivia from IMDB is BS.
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A good portion of the 'trivia' on the IMDB is bogus.
Though I see they have finally deleted the claim that USS Blueback was used for Red October. (Though the Wikipedia, even when provided with evidence, merely replaces the claim with weasel words.)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Trouble_in_Lit
http://en.wikipedia.
Both of those explain what I tried to say much more clearly.
The Ernie Cline script rocks (Score:2)
Incidentally, if you can still find the Ernie Cline script for the sequel anywhere it's definitely worth a read. I was lucky enough to download a copy many years ago before it got pulled from his site, and it would make for a damn fine movie.
Big Bootay, Tay Tay! (Score:2)
Home is where you hang your hat.
Why is there a watermelon there? (Score:2)
Wait... (Score:2)
Alignment solves everything (Score:3, Interesting)
It has been long known that spacetime has a granular quality, in fact when you get small enough everything is spin networks (you can learn more about it on Wikipedia) which can basically be thought of as a quantum of space. in other words we are all just living on particles strung on lattices (see lattice theory). But since the granularity of spacetime is at a resolution of Planck units, there is obviously an infinity of other universes that can exist between the lines as it were, made of particles strung along a lattice just out of step with our own. If you can gauge the distances correctly along this string-net and apply a constant field to shift the center of gravity of space quanta a little to one side and perfectly coincide with the spin networks on a different lattice, then voila! you can continue motion over that other dimension, which is only confusing because we use the word dimension when clearly it is simply a spacetime superimposed on our own but with a topology ordered along a geometry that is slightly out of step with ours.
This duality over the lattice may seem difficult to stomach but it will be invariably clear to anyone who has gotten used to the television version's compression of the entire x-axis into the tube's smaller aspect ratio (the ultra-cool credits scene). That, and if you can believe a key researcher is named Joan Baez.
This is what the movie is trying to illustrate when the Buckaroo's nemesis gets himself stuck halfway through a wall. That probably happened partly because they were using an inefficient energy carrier (as TFA suggests), bosons not being known in the 30s, but mostly in fact due to insufficient speed, since if you lose momentum while in the interface you would have to push against quite a lot of knots in the spin network to extricate yourself. It is a kind of rigged Hilbert space, with the knots rigged along the lattices like a ship's rigging, and it is all so intertwined you really have to push with a lot of oomph.
Hence the 700 miles per hour rocket. Obviously the characters are pushing through onto another lattice and not disintegrating the matter in front of them, because if they were destroying matter not only would things probably get quite hot, but also gravity would drag down the nose of Buckaroo's craft toward the center of the Earth! And that doesn't happen at all in fact.
We shall soon see how well the movie predicts reality with the next generation of particle accelerators. TFA only makes one terrible mistake, in that they suggest the movie is wrong about magnitudes because Buckaroo is superhumanly able to miniaturize accelerators. In fact just recently research scientist Anatoly Maksimchuk and Donald Umstadter, and another team in Europe, have been able to focus high energies with table-top devices. Certainly as higher energies are reached there will be a manifold of possibilities to study. Just remember, wherever you go, there you are.
Blatant pitch (Score:3, Informative)
Gets it wrong (Score:2)
'Widely available' is a term without meaning on the web, either it's available - or its not. One copy is all it takes.
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Just... just hold on... that's good. (Score:3, Funny)
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(This post will be -1, Offtopic in no time.)