NASA's 20-G Centrifuge Machine 154
Roland Piquepaille writes "Scientists from NASA and two U.S. universities are using a 20-G centrifuge machine that can simulate up to 20 times the terrestrial gravity to evaluate the effects of hypergravity on humans. This 58-foot diameter centrifuge has three cabins, one for humans -- limited to 12.5 G -- and two for objects and flying hardware. The goal of these experiments is to reduce the adverse effects that space travel can have on astronauts' physical heath. But by studying the health benefits of exercise on astronauts, the researchers also hope to help the rapidly growing senior population who, like astronauts, doesn't exercise much. Read more for additional details and pictures about this NASA's machine."
That thing spins fast! (Score:5, Informative)
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I prefer the way women handle my "pop-ups."
Destination: Gitmo (Score:5, Funny)
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John Paul Stapp [ejectionsite.com] disagrees (emphasis mine):
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You get spun up about 25.5 Gs against a panel, desk edge, or chair for say 5 or 10 mintues (how else will this type of test be useful if under 5 minutes but is supposed to explore deepspace travel?...) and see if you don't come out with a new type of.... (heralding voice here) "THE BENDS". I'm sure they can pump your ass full of nitrogen or some gas, but, in the end (pun intended), your ass will STILL be all busted up inside. Probay the best to come out of it is reduced c
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On the other hand, why don't we let this thread go where it wants to? Just because you made a joke doesn't mean the rest of the thread has to be a joke as well.
Relax, and enjoy das blinkenlights
Re:Destination: Gitmo (Score:2)
But, in the spirit of "Rods from the Gods", "Eye in the Sky" and "Finger of God", and so on... the government can herald:
DIETY: "Dual Information Extraction Testing Yoke"....
(cue up all the jokes about being "yoked/yolked" around)
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2 entries found for deity [reference.com]
Guess you'll have to work on that acronym a bit more...
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Re:Destination: Gitmo "Honestly... (Score:2)
But, NOR is it a torture device, or a gas chamber... It's a reincarnation *acceleration* chamber...(think Reagan era comments on the gas chamber...)
Officially, it's an Information Secretion Device, though it can cause EXcretion and catonia and rapid weight loss, circulatory problems and acute inverse osteoporosis... But, primarily it has variable speed success at inducing persons of interest to secrete secret informations under otherwise unpossible
Re:Destination: Gitmo... USPTO? (Score:2)
Would the human inside count as a power source? If the device is properly balanced, the human inside this habit-trail might make this thing qualify as some sort of perpetual motion machine. Maybe NASA will get the first patent!
We, NASA, on behalf of DHLS,
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That's what the Marines stationed there nicknamed it, long ago.
Very interestng proposal... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Very interestng proposal... (Score:5, Interesting)
Since the centrifugal machine is sustained force and not an impulse, I doubt would inherently make your bones stonger. As far as making organs tougher, there are other ways to do that. Having a friend drop a medicine ball on your stomach while you tense it is a great way to toughen your abdomen.
Re:Very interestng proposal... (Score:1, Funny)
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Only if they lie flat and don't move. A footfall at 12 gees has to hurt. Even shuffling would be "haul up, smash down".
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Not that I give a rat's ass about the olympics, but if you could convince athletes to spend prolonged periods in such a device and train them at that, there's at least a few events that would surely see an improvement that didn't involve performance-enhancing drugs or blood-doping.
The real engineering feat would be to make a centrifuge pod large enough to not only simulate a high-jump track, but also large enough to provide living qua
Re:Very interestng proposal... (Score:2)
If an athlete were to train at 2 Gs, let's use olympic weightlifting for this example, they would certainly develop more maxi
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I did 17 Gs once - a car accident (Score:2)
Getting
17 Gs? Quit yer whining ;) (Score:2)
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exercise (Score:4, Funny)
This seems like a really expensive way to prove that both groups just need to exercise more...
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Not all of them at once. Sheesh!
Yeah but...it's a start! (Score:2)
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Of course not. You put them in a few at a time, then spin them at 20g for a bit.
Then you can fit more in.
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Really. Dr. Kenneth Cooper (Dr. Cooper Bio [cooperaerobics.com]) of the Air Force nailed this one more than 40 years ago.
For people interested in the simple version of how exercise works physiologically I recommend the Covert Baily (M.S. in Biochemistry from MIT) materials. The book Fit or Fat is good, but the video series is not to be missed. Maybe your library has copies. Mine does. Covert is a natural performer and you'll have more
Margaritas (Score:4, Funny)
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Did you try plugging it into an electrical outlet that you know for sure is operational?
Did you turn the power switch to the ON position?
Call NASA!
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Ummmm Astronaughts are in Fantastic shape. (Score:4, Interesting)
Don Pettit, former ISS Science Officer, was up for around 6 months. You'd think he'd be like that Russian who was too weak to walk and had a critical loss of bone density.
Nope. He got up, and with in a week was running 10 miles or more a day. He lost essentially no bone density. Freaking fantastic shape he's in. All the astronaut core is like that. It's all about constant exercise and having impact exercise.
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On the other hand, Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Romanenko who had to be carried to a hospital was there for about a year. Russian cosmonaut Valery Polyakov even stayed for 439 days. I can't recall the name of the Russian guy returning to earth quite recently, but afair also he has been up there much longer than 6 months.
Could it be that the effect is getting worse with time?
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Dreadnought ~ "Fearless"
Astronaught ~ "Starless"?
I was trying to think of a joke about astronaughts (Star zeroes? Those not astronauts?) but I guess sunday morning coffee hasn't taken effect yet...
Sorry for being a nitp(r)ick. Your meeting with Don Pettit is very interesting, and confirms my belief that astronauts are indeed very fit.
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I remember there being some talk, not that long ago, that it would be better if astronauts weren't be so fit. The idea was that because you inevitably get out of shape in space --- partly due to the free fall, partly due to being in a very small metal box with little op
Awesome! (Score:4, Funny)
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Now to see how many people comment on my own writing abilities as a sign of my equally deteriorated mental state.
Slashdot has really gone downhill (Score:3, Insightful)
a 20-G centrifuge machine that can simulate up to 20 times the terrestrial gravity
Geez, no shit sherlock. I wonder how much G earth gravity is?
I can understand if this bit of info has to be included in say a BBC report but this is supposed to be a place filled with geeks and nerds who could work out for themselves that 20G is 20 times the G force of earths gravity. Even the americans should be able to handle the math involved. The canadians might need help. The dutch? It is sunday morning. To stoned to care. Not that it being sunday morning has anything to do with that.
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Within minutes
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Obligatory Futurama (Score:4, Funny)
Fry: But won't that crush my bones?
Zoidberg: Oh, right, right, with the bones! I always forget about the bones.
Just like the Moonraker Centrifuge (Score:4, Funny)
Goodhead: It can go up to 20Gs, but that would be fatal. 3Gs is equivalent to take-off pressure. Most people pass out at 7.
Bond: You make a great saleswoman.
Goodhead: You don't have to worry. This is what we call a chicken switch. You just keep your finger on that button and the moment the pressure gets too much for you, release the button and the power's cut off.
Bond: Just like that?!
Goodhead: Oh come on Mr Bond, a 70 year old can take 3Gs!
Bond: Well the trouble is there's never a 70 year old around when you need one...
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Roger Moore was born in 1927....
CT Scanners (Score:2, Interesting)
Piquepaille tags (Score:1)
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Liquid (Score:1)
Back to the Future quote (Score:2)
"What is this 'heavy'. Is there something wrong with the force of gravity in your time?"
Live in northern Canada/Russia (Score:2)
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-MJ
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You seem to be missing one
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Re:Gravity of which planet? (Score:2)
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adj.
Of or relating to the earth or its inhabitants.
Re:Gravity of which planet? (Score:2)
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2004 National Novel Writing Month winning "The Journal of Alan Ledford" [llynmir.net] by Roger Ostrander has a similar thought:
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"Terrestrial gravity" is, by definition, the gravity experienced on Earth, 3rd planet of our solar system.
If they meant the Moon (as in, the large body orbiting the Earth) they would have written "Luna gravity".
For Mars, it would be "Martian gravity".
For Jupiter, it would be "Jovian gravity"
Re:Gravity of which planet? (Score:2, Funny)
Right. We don't want to confuse it with the venusian gravity of Mars...
Re:Effects of hypergravity? (Score:3, Informative)
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While one should be skeptical that pressures as great as 12.50G let alone 20.00G would ever be experienced during space travel (space being weightless, this would I imagine be largely of concern only to a craft piloted foolishly close to a black hole)
Erm, acceleration, dude. If we get a drive that lets us do so, the quickest way to get to alpha centurai will be to accelerate as fast as we can halfway and decellerate the other half.
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Oh, and just FYI for everybody, there is no "acceleration", "
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Yeah there is...
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(source [wikipedia.org])
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On that note, the words "instantaneous" and "sustained" might be of interest to you. You'll find them in any online or offline dictionary.
Isn't it ironic that you call your blog anti-idiots?
Re:Effects of hypergravity? (Score:2)
On that very page [wikipedia.org] -- right after the table of everyday G forces -- is a link to a Popular Mechanics article [popularmechanics.com] which in turn references "a classic medical study published nearly a decade ago in the medical journal Spine", which most likely is available on PubMed [nih.gov] should anyone want to check it out.
Now let me quote from the PM article (emphasis mine):
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"0, Insightful"?
This guy must have had INCREDIBLY NEGATIVE karma to be zero and yet insightful...
No mercy?
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They already have been. While normal trajectories don't expose the astronauts to loads that high, aborts and other off-nominal situations do. For example, the first attempts to fly Soyuz T-10 [astronautix.com] and Soyuz 18 [astronautix.com]
Re:Those Wacky Russians (Score:2)
I thought one of the records set for sustained human Gs was on a rocket sled... Ah yes, Dr. John Paul Stapp [ejectionsite.com].
Ejection seats are another area where people are exposed to high Gs. The Gemini seats [apollosaturn.com] were particularly infamous.
Re:Effects of hypergravity? (Score:1)
How do you suppose one gets to space?
And of course space is weightless. Space is just geometry. It is truely massless. D'oh!
KFG
Re:"Flying Hardware" at 20 Gs? (Score:1)
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We tried that, but they kept suffocating.
Re:This is fairly old news. (Score:2)
using data from line 2: (1 minute)*(60 sec/min) * (17g)*(9.8m/s^2/g) = 9996 m/s
Yep. Orbital velocity at LEO is typically about 7.5 km/s, so if you can tolerate 17g for 45 seconds, you're there. Earth escape velocity is about 11km/s, so if you can tolerate 17g for (11000/9.8/17) = 66 seconds, you may leave the planet and go elsewhere.
Note: this analysis is "napkin math," and is intended to check to see if the numbers are in the right ballpar