African Catfish Hunts On Land 176
Dave Knott writes "The journal Nature will be publishing a report on an African catfish that hunts its prey on land. The fish wriggles out of the swamps to catch land-based prey. From the article: 'The eel catfish, Channallabes apus, catches unsuspecting victims by arching upwards and descending upon prey, trapping an insect against the ground before sucking it up. The same trick may have been used by the very first vertebrates to venture onto land, the researchers speculate.' There is a video of the fish in action."
Africa eh? (Score:5, Funny)
Also, there will be no worshiping of Catfish Over Lords. They cannot understand you. Prostrating yourself beneath them will merely make their task easier.
Re:Africa eh? (Score:1)
Re:Africa eh? (Score:4, Interesting)
You do know that one way to catch catfish is to use [typepad.com] your [everything2.com] index [fishinsecrets.com] finger [myfishingpictures.com] as [yumabassman.com] tackle [cabelas.com]? (and often your entire hand and parts of fore-arm...)
Re:Africa eh? (Score:2)
Re:Africa eh? (Score:2)
Oh, come on. It just means you need to study law. Even violent Catfish Overlords will need lawyers to help subjugate all the crazy hu-mans.
*Shock* *Disbelief* (Score:5, Funny)
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I mean... what would it hunt on land if it was the first thing to enter land.
and we already had other animals that can exist in both water and on land.
but I admit that this one is more fish like then I have seen before.
Re:*Shock* *Disbelief* (Score:3, Interesting)
The obvious answer to what would it hunt on land would be other catfish. OOOR whatever else decided to go on land too. Just because this catfish hunts on land doesn't mena it is all it huunt or eats. Catfish are aslo scavengers and eat fish. I see nothing preventing this catfish from doing the same. Actualy, i use catfish (yellowbellies) to catch other more larger catfish so it wouldn't be out of the question to say the fist landwalkers at
Re:*Shock* *Disbelief* (Score:2)
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Missing link, indeed! (Score:2)
Not THE missing link but ... (Score:3, Interesting)
This isn't THE missing link between sea and land animals. But it is yet another example of a phenomenon you can see throughout the animal kingdom.
Critics of evolution point to so called "intermediate structures". That somehow anatomical features have no value in a state of evolution, therefore they could not be selected under Darwin's own models. They ignore the little thing called the natural world. If you look closely you can see fish that hold their "water" to crawl around on land and tree dwelling a
Re:*Shock* *Disbelief* (Score:2)
direct link (Score:5, Informative)
Link [nature.com]
Re:direct link (Score:3, Informative)
"A
Re:direct link (Score:4, Informative)
the correct link is here [nature.com]
family tree (Score:1)
Re:family tree (Score:2)
time to update wikipedia (Score:2)
Re:time to update wikipedia (Score:2)
So umm, why don't you?
Just as God intended (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Just as God intended (Score:5, Funny)
Comment removed (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Just as God intended (Score:2)
Getting in would be the easy part (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Just as God intended (Score:4, Funny)
Cross dressing (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cross dressing (Score:2)
Re:Cross dressing (Score:2)
I believe it went more like
Pre-weasel: "Whoa, looking pretty chunky there!"
Pre-whale: "I'm big boned!"
Pre-weasel: "Ya know, swimming is the best form of exercise."
The rest is evolutionary history
Re:Cross dressing (Score:2)
Well, given the kind of job he is doing, a Monty Python quote would certainly be in order:
Mr. Gumby: My brain hurts!
Let's see... (Score:3, Interesting)
Somebody clarify how this is news.
Re:Let's see... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Let's see... (Score:3, Insightful)
Probably, when there were no earth dwelling creatures bigger than insects, those insects would be an easy catch to anything that started to jump out of the water to get at them, because they had no defenses for something like that happening (why would they, it never happened, evolving strategies against such attacks would be wasteful, and not help them in their fitness...)
So fish that adapted this strategy would've had had ample, 'unsusp
Re:Let's see... (Score:2)
I mean: if this were a less optimal behaviour compared to other predatory/feeding tactics, individuals of a species exhibiting this behaviour would be at a disadvantage, compared to others of their species, and so they would be less 'fit', end up at the bottom rung of the reproductive ladder, not able to pass this trait... ('
Re:Let's see... (Score:2)
So, the most optimal solution (which gets solved by enough of them getting killed and only the ones with the advantage surviving) is for them to hunt on land. They could still get enough energy from eating plants and insects to hunt and survive, and they don't
Re:Let's see... (Score:2)
It's not news, but no matter, it's stuff that's good enough for
My kind of fishing! (Score:1)
Paging General O'Neill (Score:4, Funny)
Now Explain How They Develop Feet (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Now Explain How They Develop Feet (Score:2)
Re:Now Explain How They Develop Feet (Score:2)
Re:Now Explain How They Develop Feet (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Now Explain How They Develop Feet (Score:2)
Re:Now Explain How They Develop Feet (Score:2)
They don't, land animals do not descend directly from eels (eeles don't have a jaw).
However, just look in the science section, they have a missing link of a legged fish.
Not to mention the living fishies what got leg-like fins (aroud australia I think). They mostly use them to hang on to rocks IIRC.
I mean, to go from "fin to swim" to "legs to crawl" isn't hard to picture (tougher fins). The fish that bre
Re:Now Explain How They Can Bite Your Hand Off (Score:2)
After RTFA again, I think it's a catfish that got the monicker of "eel" because of it's appearance. So, it's a moot point, but I do think eels don't have a jaw. I'm pretty sure... nope. They have jaws [wikipedia.org]. I was thinking of lampreys [wikipedia.org]. Those don't have jaws. I'd make a horrible marine biologist...
So now you know why my hovercraft remains full of eels.
Re:Now Explain How They Develop Feet (Score:3, Informative)
Here's the Video . (Score:2)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/04/0
Better link (Score:2)
movie [nature.com]
video evidence for GOD! (Score:3, Funny)
Not only is this video evidence that this experiment was Intelligently Designed, but in fact it proves the IMHO more important point that God Has A Tapping Finger. Take that Richard Dawkins, God Actually Captured On Video!
Re:video evidence for GOD! (Score:2)
You mispelled "Noodly Appendage", you insensitive clod!
~X~
Spawn of Dagon! (Score:2, Funny)
clearly satan's work (Score:4, Funny)
So are you saying (Score:2)
So either we should be burning the Dover school board at the stake for Manichaenism or for denying the truthfulness of
Re:So are you saying (Score:2)
The Cleverest Species of Them All! (Score:2)
The Landshark!!! [jt.org]
Walking catfish (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Walking catfish (Score:2)
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Re:Walking catfish (Score:2)
I wonder if this guy can do it too, from the video it only seems to do a grab and retreat without ever completely leaving the water.
Incomplete article (Score:2)
This was recently in the news; The scientist on the study noted the amazing thing was that the fish can eat prey exactly in the way they do underwater by "sucking it in" which doesn't allow air to come in their mouths. It would be considered a breakthrough as it proved there isn't a long evolutionary progress required to be able to feed on land as previously assumed.
Re:Incomplete article (Score:2)
Dutch Fragment:
Zodra hij contact maakt met de prooi, doet de vis zijn bek herhaaldelijk open en dicht tot het insect stevig tussen zijn kaken vastgeklemd zit. De typische zuigbeweging van in het water komt ook op het land van pas, hier om grotere prooien gemakkelijker naar binnen te werken.
Dit -voor een vis- merkwaardige gedrag kan licht werpen op de evolutie van water- naar landdier en op de ingrijpende lichamelijke aanpassingen die daarvoor nodig waren.
Quick translation:
As soon
Apparently there's a German catfish that hunts dog (Score:4, Interesting)
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Actually even worse (Score:3, Informative)
So this was not just a single-dachshund type of fish. No this cat had a taste for dogs.
Mod parent and GP up -- fish hunts dogs on land! (Score:2)
Further evidence... (Score:1, Funny)
The similarity between this fish and the FSM's Noodly Appendage should be enough evidence for ANYONE to see that the FSM is the one true creator.
RAmen
Why "Africa"? (Score:3, Insightful)
Africa is a huge place, The Worlds second largest and second-most populous continent after Asia with a hugely diverse population in 61 countries and territories.
My point is if you hear about animals found in "tropical swamps of" Asia, or North or South America you would normally hear the actual country or even state within the country it was found in otherwise you have no idea what sort of environment to imagine.
From "tropical swamps" we can only derive that it's one of the countries in Sub-Saharan africa that fall in the tropics, and that's the biggest, most diverse part and it's not one big swamp!
I could forgive them if these fish eel things are swimming all over sub saharan africa but then I would have to say what the hell have they been doing all this time?
If they are everywhere then I've probably eaten a few of these myself. Mmmm.
Re:Why "Africa"? (Score:2)
The "news" here is that Nature is publishing an article about them - they're well known and have been for ages.
Re:Why "Africa"? (Score:1, Flamebait)
I'm not sure if any of the above are true but after reading a few other comments, I'm already seeing people attribute this behavior to recent evolution. It could be that this behavior was already the norm for several thousand years for this particular species at this particular place.
Re:Why "Africa"? (Score:3, Interesting)
Thats not a fish... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Thats not a fish... (Score:2)
Not Helpful (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Not Helpful (Score:2)
First fish out of the water didn't hunt insects (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:First fish out of the water didn't hunt insects (Score:2)
Insects were on land before fish-like things, as were plants. But given the size of bugs in such a drastically different atmosphere, there's a good chance the fish-like things would've been hunted by them.
Re:First fish out of the water didn't hunt insects (Score:2)
Aah, Now THAT'S News (Score:2)
Now, one of the theories as to why the sharks have been attacking people more often lately is because their usual feeding grounds have been fished out and so they're forced to come into more shallow water to find food. I could forsee an eventual evolutionary advantage for a shark that could emplo
Planet of the... (Score:2)
Obligatory... (Score:2)
Re:link to video broken... (Score:2)
Offtopic quicktime video help (Score:1)
Edit->Preferences->Browser->MIME Types
Make sure QuickTime is set as your player for your basic formats (a new Flash installation can overwrite these defaults.) This should prevent you from needing to open IE to view QuickTime videos (I've had this problem quite a few times myself.)
Re:New Realms (Score:2, Funny)
Re:yes, but (Score:4, Funny)
"Mommy, where do earthquakes come from?"
"Well, when two tectonic plates love each other very much...."
"Quiet Woman!! That's Just A Theory!! Son, it's time you learned all about Intelligent Drift."
Re:Another Nail (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Another Nail (Score:1)
Re:Another Nail (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Another Nail (Score:3, Funny)
It doesn't have to disprove ID, since ID doesn't make any testable predictions, or result in any advancements in understanding; ID's purposely deceptive design allows us to simply ignore it without any repercussions.
A class in ID would be the easiest damn class ever. "Welcome, students, to Intelligent Design 101. This is the only course in this field. You can receive your B.S. in one day, or you can receive your Ph.D. if you stay after class and help me cl
God done it? (Score:2)
Re:Another Nail (Score:2)
This is nonsense. You're essentially saying, "once God figured out how to make everyone turn out the way currently are, he quit getting involved." The problem is getting everyone to turn out the way they are. You're disguising ID as only covering "the creation" when in fact it is essentially covering everything after
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Re:it was sarcasm (Score:1, Insightful)
If you start with that assumption then you're not going to get anywhere at all. The theory of evolution says nothing about the origin of life, nor does it set out to. Evolution is all about what happens once replicative life is in place.
Re:it was sarcasm (Score:1, Troll)
I think either someoen doesn't understand this stuff or someone doesn't understand this stuff. Either way, it apears that evolution has become just as much of a religion as any other religion is. It has all the facets of regular religions, lets list them
Re:it was sarcasm (Score:2)
This is the mounting hysertia used to drum up donations to think tanks and right wing groups, but I'm not sure I see any "increasing" anything on the part of biologists or scientists.
"* Some people who claim to understand it still get it wrong"
I would say that this is fundamental to all human acitivity, religion or no. Being capable of error is precisely WHY we need someth
Re:it was sarcasm (Score:2)
I'm not 100% sure what you mean by this. For things in the distant past that were singular events that leave few traces, we generally can apply the scientific method to evaluating the evidence, but we often have to note that the findings are tenative and speculative about a lot of the details. It's still certainly worthwhile though: what else are we going to do? The only alternative is jus
Re:it was sarcasm (Score:2)
Yea, thats my bad. I didn't proof read
Re:Another Nail (Score:2)
Both macro and micro evolution are well-documented facts, of course, and chances are what you mean by "macro/micro" is something rather different from how biologists use the terms. In biology, th
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