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42 *IS* The answer to Life, the Universe and Zeta

Posted by Hemos on Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:04 AM
from the douglas-adams-was-right dept.
Venusian Treen writes "In their search for patterns, mathematicians have uncovered unlikely connections between prime numbers and quantum physics. The gist is that energy levels in the nucleus of heavy atoms can tell us about the distribution of zeros in Riemann's zeta function - and hence where to find prime numbers. This article discusses this connection, and introduces two physisicts who tell us 'why the answer to life, the universe and the third moment of the Riemann zeta function should be 42.'"
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  • 42 (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 27 2006, @11:07AM (#15002794)
    I just hope I lose my virginity by the time I'm 42 ...
  • "As soon as you discard scientific rigor, you're no longer a mathematician, you're a numerologist."
  • You mean (Score:5, Funny)

    by stunt_penguin (906223) on Monday March 27 2006, @11:08AM (#15002803)
    someone found the question? What was it?
    • Re:You mean (Score:5, Funny)

      by ZombieRoboNinja (905329) on Monday March 27 2006, @11:12AM (#15002836)
      The question, apparently, is "What is the third moment of the Riemann zeta function?"

      I'm as surprised as you are.
      • In more detail (Score:5, Informative)

        by l2718 (514756) on Monday March 27 2006, @11:41AM (#15003104)

        In fact, the question is:

        What is the arithmetic factor in the asymptotics of the third moment of the Riemann zeta-function?

        In more detail: If you integrate the nth power of the absolute value of the Riemann zeta function on the the critical line between heights -T and T and divide by 2T, you will get a sort of nth moment on average. Random matrix theory predicts the growth of this function to be asymptotic to a "geometric factor" (coming from an integral over the unitary group) times the n^2 power of the logarithm of T. It turned out that the random matrix theory prediction is off by an "arithmetic" factor, so that the correct asymptotics is

        a(n)g(n) (log T)^(n^2)
        where g(n) is the geometric factor from above and a(n) is a rational number. The article is about the prediction a(3)=42.
  • by digitaldc (879047) * on Monday March 27 2006, @11:10AM (#15002820)
    Douglas Adams [wikipedia.org] was asked many times during his career why he chose the number forty-two. Many theories were proposed, but he rejected them all. On November 2, 1993, he gave an answer on alt.fan.douglas-adams:
    The answer to this is very simple. It was a joke. It had to be a number, an ordinary, smallish number, and I chose that one. Binary representations, base thirteen, Tibetan monks are all complete nonsense. I sat at my desk, stared into the garden and thought '42 will do' I typed it out. End of story.


    Tao Te Ching, Chapter 42:

    The Tao begot one. One begot two. Two begot three. And three begot the ten thousand things. The ten thousand things carry yin and embrace yang. They achieve harmony by combining these forces. Men hate to be "orphaned," "widowed," or "worthless," But this is how kings and lords describe themselves. For one gains by losing and loses by gaining. What others teach, I also teach; that is: "A violent man will die a violent death! " This will be the essence of my teaching.
  • TFA (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 27 2006, @11:10AM (#15002825)
    In their search for patterns, mathematicians have uncovered unlikely connections between prime numbers and quantum physics. Will the subatomic world help reveal the illusive nature of the primes?

    by Marcus du Sautoy Posted March 27, 2006 12:40 AM

    In 1972, the physicist Freeman Dyson wrote an article called "Missed Opportunities." In it, he describes how relativity could have been discovered many years before Einstein announced his findings if mathematicians in places like Göttingen had spoken to physicists who were poring over Maxwell's equations describing electromagnetism. The ingredients were there in 1865 to make the breakthrough--only announced by Einstein some 40 years later.

    It is striking that Dyson should have written about scientific ships passing in the night. Shortly after he published the piece, he was responsible for an abrupt collision between physics and mathematics that produced one of the most remarkable scientific ideas of the last half century: that quantum physics and prime numbers are inextricably linked.

    This unexpected connection with physics has given us a glimpse of the mathematics that might, ultimately, reveal the secret of these enigmatic numbers. At first the link seemed rather tenuous. But the important role played by the number 42 has recently persuaded even the deepest skeptics that the subatomic world might hold the key to one of the greatest unsolved problems in mathematics.

    Prime numbers, such as 17 and 23, are those that can only be divided by themselves and one. They are the most important objects in mathematics because, as the ancient Greeks discovered, they are the building blocks of all numbers--any of which can be broken down into a product of primes. (For example, 105 = 3 x 5 x 7.) They are the hydrogen and oxygen of the world of mathematics, the atoms of arithmetic. They also represent one of the greatest challenges in mathematics.

    As a mathematician, I've dedicated my life to trying to find patterns, structure and logic in the apparent chaos that surrounds me. Yet this science of patterns seems to be built from a set of numbers which have no logic to them at all. The primes look more like a set of lottery ticket numbers than a sequence generated by some simple formula or law.

    For 2,000 years the problem of the pattern of the primes--or the lack thereof--has been like a magnet, drawing in perplexed mathematicians. Among them was Bernhard Riemann who, in 1859, the same year Darwin published his theory of evolution, put forward an equally-revolutionary thesis for the origin of the primes. Riemann was the mathematician in Göttingen responsible for creating the geometry that would become the foundation for Einstein's great breakthrough. But it wasn't only relativity that his theory would unlock.

    Riemann discovered a geometric landscape, the contours of which held the secret to the way primes are distributed through the universe of numbers. He realized that he could use something called the zeta function to build a landscape where the peaks and troughs in a three-dimensional graph correspond to the outputs of the function. The zeta function provided a bridge between the primes and the world of geometry. As Riemann explored the significance of this new landscape, he realized that the places where the zeta function outputs zero (which correspond to the troughs, or places where the landscape dips to sea-level) hold crucial information about the nature of the primes. Mathematicians call these significant places the zeros.

    Riemann's discovery was as revolutionary as Einstein's realization that E=mc2. Instead of matter turning into energy, Riemann's equation transformed the primes into points at sea-level in the zeta landscape. But then Riemann noticed that it did something even more incredible. As he marked the locations of the first 10 zeros, a rather amazing pattern began to emerge. The zeros weren't scattered all over; they seemed to be running in a straight line through the landscape. Riemann couldn't believe t
  • ? 42 is not prime (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Phoenix666 (184391) on Monday March 27 2006, @11:15AM (#15002865)
    Are there any mathematicians who can explain how a non-prime is the third riemann moment in the string of riemann zeros?
    • I'm not a mathematician, but just from TFA:

      a) "(...) the places where the zeta function outputs zero (which correspond to the troughs, or places where the landscape dips to sea-level) hold crucial information about the nature of the primes."

      b) "There is an important sequence of numbers called "the moments of the Riemann zeta function.""

      So, not only does it not, as far as I understand, claim that the zeroes of the zeta function are actually primes, it also doesn't say that the moments are on the hyp
    • Re:? 42 is not prime (Score:4, Informative)

      by slo_learner (729232) on Monday March 27 2006, @11:43AM (#15003128)
      It's quite elementary actually. This should get you started. http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/math/pdf/0508/0508378.pd f [arxiv.org] No but really, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_distribution [wikipedia.org] Good luck see you in a week
    • Re:? 42 is not prime (Score:5, Informative)

      by Coryoth (254751) on Monday March 27 2006, @11:46AM (#15003159) Homepage Journal
      Are there any mathematicians who can explain how a non-prime is the third riemann moment in the string of riemann zeros?

      Well the Riemann zeta function [wikipedia.org] is an otherwise innocuous looking function where zeta(z) = 1 + 1/(2^z) + 1/(3^z) + 1/(4^z) + ...

      It has some surprising and intriguing properties however. One of the more interesting is that it ends up appearing inside a formula to approximate the prime number counting function (which counts the number of primes less than n). Because of the way it appears in the integral that provides the formula (as log(1/zeta(z))) and "poles" (essentially points where the function shoots of to infinity like asymptotes, except on the complex plane) of the function being integrated are vitally important for determining these particular kinds of integral (complex path integrals) it turns out that determining when the Riemann zeta funtion is zero has a lot to say about the distribution of prime numbers.

      This means we've converted the problem from studying the distribution of prime numbers (very hard) to studying the distribution of the zeros of a particular function (hard, but a definite improvement). So what can we say about the distribution of zeros of the Riemann zeta funtion? Well without actually knowing where all the zeros are we can at least potentially talk about the moments of the distribution [wikipedia.org] which is basically just a series of statistical measures. The first moment of a distribution is the mean, the second moment is the variance. What they have found is the third moment, the next step up from the variance, of the distribution of zeros of the Riemann zeta function - whih, as we've seen, in deeply connected to the distribution of prime numbers.

      The third moment of ther distribution of zeros of the Riemann zeta function can thus be any number: it isn't required to be prime; it is simply a measure describing properties of the distribution. Exactly what that number is though, can actually say a lot about how prime numbers are distributed.

      Jedidiah.
  • How clever! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Pedrito (94783) on Monday March 27 2006, @11:20AM (#15002919) Homepage
    [Reimann] realized that the places where the zeta function outputs zero ... hold crucial information about the nature of the primes. Mathematicians call these significant places the zeros.

    Man, those mathematicians are really clever at naming stuff. Next thing you know, they're going to call the places where the function outputs ones, "ones". Will it never end?
    • by Sax Maniac (88550) on Monday March 27 2006, @01:11PM (#15003838) Homepage Journal
      Indeed. I once took a language theory class from a math bigot. He clearly hated computer science and (shudder) actual physical objects like computers.

      Upon trying to describe a stack, he stumbled, paused and said: "Why do you computer people use such strange words like "push" and "pop"? Why not call it 'stick it on the end' and 'take it off the end?' It's so needlessly complicated".

      Without a beat, he then writes a bunch of greek symbols on the board, epsilon prime-prime-underbar-hat, muttering on about nondeterministic finite automata and pumping lemmas.

      Years ago, I learned never to take any computer science classes from anyone who held only degrees in math, but sadly I had no choice that semester.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 27 2006, @11:31AM (#15003004)
    The ratio of funny to informative posts is ridiculous. Why aren't discussions on Slashdot informative; seems like half the replies are jokes that don't really further the conversation.
    • Re:Ooh really funny. (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Surt (22457) on Monday March 27 2006, @12:32PM (#15003548) Homepage Journal
      I'd guess that the problem is that there are, what, like 3 slashdotters qualified to comment informatively on mathematics at this level? Add to that that it is pretty obvious when you don't know what the heck the mathematics are about.

      On the other side, every slashdotter thinks they have something funny to say.
  • by jayhawk88 (160512) <rockchalk88@yahoo.com> on Monday March 27 2006, @11:31AM (#15003008) Homepage
    I mean, "42" really being the answer could be considered infinitely improbable.
  • by RonTheHurler (933160) on Monday March 27 2006, @11:36AM (#15003050)
    If the article is true, and prime numbers can be gleaned from quantum stuff, and quantum computers are just around the corner... will that obsolete all our public key encryption tools? How does this affect quantum encryption? Will we have to wait for our household Mr. Fusion reactors to power these systems to maintain encryption? Will all this happen within the next 5 years?

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 27 2006, @11:38AM (#15003083)
    4, 8, 15, 16, and 23 are also significant. Hey, wait a minute......
  • by Flying pig (925874) on Monday March 27 2006, @12:06PM (#15003339)
    The connection with the computer industry is that Alan Turing had a grant from the Royal Society to build an analog system (using gears no less) to investigate the zeroes of the Riemann Zeta Function.
  • by sidles (735901) <.moc.liamg. .ta. .seldisaj.> on Monday March 27 2006, @12:12PM (#15003385)
    The Slashdot Conjecture: All mathematical and physics problems that arise naturally in everyday life are in complexity class NP-hard. The Slashdot Corollary: All meaningful discussion of these problems will require either oversimplification or humor.