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Testing Cell Phone Radiation on Humans

Posted by Zonk on Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:09 AM
from the my-precious-brains-are-already-scrambled dept.
Palm Addict writes "News.com reports that Finland's radiation watchdog is to study the effects of mobile phones on human proteins by direct tests on people's skin. From the article: 'A pilot study, to be conducted next week, will expose a small area of skin on volunteers' arms to cell phone radiation for the duration of a long phone call, or for one hour, research professor Dariusz Leszczynski said on Friday.'"

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  • Radiation sauna (Score:3, Funny)

    by liangzai (837960) on Friday March 03 2006, @11:12AM (#14842900) Homepage
    The Finns should be disqualified for this study, they have hardened their tissues by life-long use of saunas.
  • Sounds good, but... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SlashThat (859697) on Friday March 03 2006, @11:13AM (#14842921)
    Why not test it on living human cells separated from living humans? That way no one would catch cancer as a result of this research, and it may even be easier to study (at least some of) the effects.
    • Re:Sounds good, but... (Score:3, Informative)

      Why not test it on living human cells separated from living humans?

      RTFA.

      In previous tests, Leszczynski's group found evidence of mobile phone radiation causing cell-level changes such as shrinkage, but he said it was still impossible to say if that ha

  • What they'll find (Score:3, Interesting)

    by john83 (923470) on Friday March 03 2006, @11:14AM (#14842927) Homepage
    They'll discover that the phones have a small heating effect, 1 C, as required by a)basic phystics and b)regulations. They will conclude whatever they have already assumed, i.e. that this is dangerous/not dangerous, without any actual experimentation having been done on that particular question.
  • Radiation levels (Score:5, Informative)

    by digitaldc (879047) * on Friday March 03 2006, @11:15AM (#14842939)
    CNET has another article showing the radiation levels [cnet.com] of certain cell phones.

    Within the US models listed, Motorola has the highest with its Motorola V120c, and the lowest goes to the Audiovox PPC66001.
    Maybe people will want to check this chart before buying a new cell phone? Maybe not.
    • First, if you try to measure RF field levels you get hit by a terrifying array of hard-to-control variables. Everything on your lab bench is either reflecting or absorbing the output of the phone. Each reflection will either add to or subtract from the sig
  • Why arm skin? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Rob T Firefly (844560) on Friday March 03 2006, @11:16AM (#14842944) Homepage Journal
    Testing arm skin isn't all that practical, who keeps a cell phone there?

    They should find out how the radiation affects the two bodily areas my phone is usually found, which coincidentally are the two areas I'm most worried about irradiating.
  • effects on proteins on the skin? (Score:3, Informative)

    by donutz (195717) on Friday March 03 2006, @11:17AM (#14842961) Homepage Journal
    I thought the whole concern over radiation from cell phones was that it would cause some kind of internal cancer, notably in your brain (or maybe your hip if that's where you keep your phone?). Is a skin-surface test going to be indicative of the kinds of sub-surface damage we're really concerned about?

    At any rate, it will be good to have another study on this subject, to add weight either that the radiation is mostly harmless, or that we need to start wearing a layer of tin foil...
  • This is silly (Score:4, Insightful)

    by radiumhahn (631215) on Friday March 03 2006, @11:19AM (#14842970)
    It's non-ionizing radiation.... people have been putting these things by their heads for hours on a daily basis... show me one potential case of burn via cell signal.
    • Re:This is silly (Score:3, Informative)

      Thank God somebody said it. Every time I see one of these studies, I remind myself that they're being performed by the same idiot pre-meds who were struggling through basic physics and chemistry courses. Even that's when they didn't get special dumbed-do
    • Re:This is silly (Score:3, Interesting)

      It's non-ionizing radiation.... people have been putting these things by their heads for hours on a daily basis... show me one potential case of burn via cell signal.

      Alternating magnetic fields aren't generally considered ionizing radiation either, but rat [ehponline.org]
  • More interesting than the test itself (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Weaselmancer (533834) on Friday March 03 2006, @11:21AM (#14842986)

    ...would be the reaction of the world if these things really do cause cancer. Would we just deal with the risk? Rebuild all the towers to use frequencies that don't penetrate human skin? Give up cell phones altogether? Would insurance companies hike your rates if you use a cellphone?

      • Hell my mom used to get migraines from drinking it, stopped drinking it, migraines gone.

        Two words: Psycho. Somatic.

      • by Expert Determination (950523) on Friday March 03 2006, @12:54PM (#14843707)
        I know it does more than they say it does. Hell my mom used to get migraines from drinking it, stopped drinking it, migraines gone.
        And I know people who get horribly sick from eating wheat products. Does that mean wheat is dangerous? Generalising from a sample size of one is far more dangerous that drinking diet soda.
        [ Parent ]
      • It's just like all other things, we'll play it off no matter what the study says. But I do have this one comment: don't drink diet soda folks, I know it does more than they say it does. Hell my mom used to get migraines from drinking it, stopped drinking i
      • It's just like all other things, we'll play it off no matter what the study says. But I do have this one comment: don't drink diet soda folks, I know it does more than they say it does. Hell my mom used to get migraines from drinking it, stopped drinking i
  • just using the word "radiation" presents bias -- people assume this equals the same kind of radiation they've been told to fear from nuc plants and atom bombs. Nothing could be further from the truth unless it came from the U.S. Government.

    Still, using the word (which has as little meaning by itself as the word Server does) presents a set of expectations which are inaccurate for most people.
  • This is dumb (Score:3, Funny)

    by liliafan (454080) on Friday March 03 2006, @12:10PM (#14843355) Homepage
    I have been using cellphones for years and never had any kind of a problem, I find them most useful, for example the third eye above my right ear helps get a better view when driving and the second head sprouting off my hip gives me someone to talk to. Heh radiation altering cells what a load of rubbish and my talking second head agrees.
  • Anyone else? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Mr. Bad Example (31092) on Friday March 03 2006, @12:53PM (#14843701) Homepage
    Is anyone else picturing the Verizon guy in a lab coat standing over test subjects and repeating "Do you have cancer now? Good!"?
  • AHHHHHHHHH! (Score:3, Informative)

    by agentcdog (885108) on Friday March 03 2006, @01:02PM (#14843782)
    OK so I did an experiment using a scintillation counter in my physics lab. When you turn the machine on you got lots of hits (dozens per second) from background radiation. Then I stuck my phone up against it... nothing happened. The radiation from a phone is too weak to register. So if you are even remotely worried by cell phones, you should find yourself a big dirt hole way underground then line it with aluminum foil.
    Seriously though, this is a reply that I made the the last rediculous artlice about cell-phone cancer:
    *Rolling Eyes* The people who study these things I think just make up dumb studies so that they can get grant money. There are three ways in which EM radiation (what cell phones use) can be dangerous, in order of severity: 1. Radiation that has the resonant frequency of molecular bonds can give a LOT of energy to the molecules that make us up. That's how a microwave oven works. The EM waves have the same frequency as the resonant frequency for water molecules.
    2. Radiation can kick off electrons (beta particles) or protons (alpha particles). If an element loses an electron it becomes more volatile. If an element in our DNA loses a proton it can change the DNA. That's why strong radiation can cause cancer.
    3. Radiation can generally heat us up.
    Cell phone radiation is not even strong enough to kick off an electron unless it is VERY loosely bound. It has no chance of kicking off a proton.
    Bottom line: Unless you feel your brain start cooking (the sun is WAY more likely to cook your brain), don't worry.
    • Re:AHHHHHHHHH! (Score:3, Interesting)

      Your list is full of errors. Is that physics lab of yours in high school? Don't believe that you know everything about physics just because you passed your high school exam.

      1. Radiation that has the resonant frequency of molecular bonds can give a LOT o

    • Re:This reminds me of mobile cooking (Score:5, Informative)

      by code65536 (302481) on Friday March 03 2006, @12:01PM (#14843267) Homepage Journal
      That's an urban legend that was posted some time ago either at /. or digg, and plenty of people showed that it was simply not possible. For one, even at maximum output and perfect cooking efficiency, the amount of energy emitted simply won't even come close to being enough.
      [ Parent ]
    • That makes no sense (Score:3, Insightful)

      2.4 Ghz of energy

      What the hell is "2.4 GHz of energy"? That makes no sense. 2.4 GHz is merely the frequency, not the intensity. The unit you're looking for is "watts". Your crappy little bluetooth transmitter is very low wattage, but your cellphone trans

      • Re:That makes no sense (Score:3, Informative)

        Just to give you an idea though of the relative weakness of intensity of a cellphone transmission, a cellphone typically transmits at no greater than 2 watts (typically around 1) ... my microwave oven on the other hand is 900 watts. A typical bluetooth hea