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DARPA Awards $53 Million for Solar Power Research
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ScuttleMonkey
on Sat Nov 05, 2005 06:29 PM
from the new-technology-is-hot dept.
from the new-technology-is-hot dept.
mygadgetbox writes "Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) will be giving a consortium led by the University of Delaware nearly $53 million in funding to more than double the efficiency of terrestrial solar cells within the next 50 months. DARPA wants the consortium to develop and produce 1,000 Very High Efficiency Solar Cell (VHESC) prototypes that are affordable and that operate at efficiencies of at least 50 percent. The goal is to create solar cells that operate at about 54 percent efficiency in the laboratory and 50 percent in production."
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Meh. (Score:5, Insightful)
I have been getting excited about some of the recent research that is making progress towards less costly, cleaner (to produce and dispose) solar cells. I guess if you are the military, and price is not an issue than this DARPA research is usefull. They need to find some way to power all this new electronics equipment that soldiers are carrying. But it is improvements in cost efficiency that will really make a difference in real world.
TATFA (think about the article) (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:TATFA (think about the article) (Score:3, Interesting)
True, the military will care about efficient power cells but is it really worth it to go the solar route? I mean we've been hearing a lot about other small energy sources as well...in my opinion solar is a pretty bad way to go from what I know about it.
Re:TATFA (think about the article) (Score:5, Insightful)
Body armour may stop shrapnel. Body armour can't stop kenetic force. So it's good versus grenades, small arms, peripheral range of explosions, but piss poor against a bomb attack.
Re:TATFA (think about the article) (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:TATFA (think about the article) (Score:5, Insightful)
Nah, you have it backwards... if the American people weren't kept in a constant state of fear and reliance on the Pentagon to "protect" them, they wouldn't be so willing to fork over their tax dollars to support the world's largest military. That's the beauty of the system: the bigger the US military-industrial complex grows, the more the rest of the world resents and fears the USA. The more the rest of the world hates and fears the USA, the more insecure the US population becomes. The more insecure the US population becomes, the more willing they are to funnel more of their tax money into "defense", in the hopes that it will make them safer from the world that hates them so. So essentially the more money they spend, the more money they will have to spend later on.
Re:Meh. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Meh. (Score:4, Interesting)
Come to think of it, isn't Area 51 surrounded by a bunch of wasteland desert?
Either way, I want solar that can pay for itself quicker than I have to pay off a loan for it, else I can't afford the capital investment. I'd plaster my whole roof with it.
Solar roof shingles and solar standing seam metal roofing are too expensive, too.
land is cheap.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Meh. (Score:5, Interesting)
this would reduce the cost, even if the price-per-cell remains the same.
personally, i say let's try for both.
1000000 times better... (Score:5, Insightful)
...than looking for ways to bury waste products in the ocean.
Photocells are already fantastic technology. Not only do you save the energy you would otherwise be drawing from a power plant, you also save the energy needed to deliver the energy to the point where it is used.
A lot of public lighting near my home is now solar powered. The big advantage is that you don't have to dig trenches to the site. Trenching is very expensive because of the associated labour costs, and labour costs feed back directly into energy costs.
Re:Try again... (Score:3, Informative)
It is in use all over the place here in Australia. Not along every main road, but it is used where there is no easy access to mains electricity. A location in the middle of a park, or on an isolated
This is good and all (Score:4, Insightful)
A Good Start (Score:5, Interesting)
Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid [cosmicvariance.com] I really encourage you to read the whole post.
~CK
Re:A Good Start (Score:2)
Re:A Good Start (Score:3, Insightful)
It can only mean one thing... (Score:5, Funny)
Halliburton now owns the sun.
Uses for solar panels (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Uses for solar panels (Score:3, Insightful)
It is a similar issue to VLSI chips. Once you have sufficent economies of scale, costs will fall rapidly.
Re:Uses for solar panels (Score:2)
Efficiency (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm also quite positive I remember stumbling across a webpage for a US Defense/space contractor, where they offered up solar panel "scraps" (stuff you could still assemble into working modules, with a fair bit of labor) for sale to the public. Efficiency was substantially higher than anything I've seen on the commercial market, though I don't recall figures off the top of my head. They probably cost a lot more to manufacture, but $50M amortized over -possible- solar panels sounds pretty expensive too.
Why couldn't we just give a $50M grant to homeowners to buy solar panels?
Alternative Energy is already here. (Score:5, Interesting)
This was not their original plan at the outset. --Basically, they bought a property, and cleared a lot far back from the road. Then they learned that to have AC lines brought to their house from the mains, the local power company would charge them over $10,000 for the job of sinking four poles and running cable.
They thought, "Wow. Ten grand? Sheesh. What other options are there?"
The result was some research and a re-jigged construction plan using alternative energy. They spent about the same amount of money installing Geo-thermal and solar panel solutions.
10 big cells cost them about $8000 CAD. The rest of the money was spent digging trenches and laying thermal transfer pipes, air ducts and house wiring. Now they have all the power they need.
Strategic spot lighting using 12 volt halogen bulbs rather than bathing entire rooms in light minimizes the impact on energy reserves. Laptops are used instead of desktop computers, and various other appliances, like radios and televisions are run with DC to AC converters. Water is pumped from a well to a reservoir at the top of the house which provides pressure. Even while feeding the needs of an active family of four, the array of 5 big chemical batteries which stores electricity from sunlight never dipped below a 95% full charge on any of the days I visited. (The power readings were set on a cool display for all to look at.) --And the house is also absolutely enormous; 5 bedrooms, plus various huge family rooms the size of small churches, etc. A total mansion, and after the initial investment, it costs exactly zero to light and power.
Cooking is done on a big gas range fed from a pair of large propane tanks which contain enough propane to last more than a year. Water is drawn from a well. Refrigeration was the only puzzle still to be worked out, and while pondering it, the family had spent two years eating fresh foods while keeping milk and other such items in a basic camping cooler in the kitchen. Half the things people normally keep in their fridges don't really need to be there; milk and beef doesn't go bad all that quickly, eggs don't need to be refrigerated at all, and chicken and fish are simply bought fresh the day they are intended for consumption. --After realizing that this worked without any problems, the family basically concluded that they didn't really need a fridge in the first place. --Though, they told me that they had found a super-efficient 12 volt DC fridge on the market for homes exactly like theirs, but that they didn't think they really needed it.
Half the problem is not the power source, but the notion that we need so much electricity in the first place. --If we change the parameters of the problem, we can start using different solutions which have already been accepted by industry. Simple.
Despite the opposition, alternative energy is here for anybody who wants it.
-FL
Re:what did they learn about efficiency? (Score:3, Informative)
Solar Power is not just Photovoltaics (Score:5, Interesting)
But solar power is not limited merely to what one can do with photovoltaics. When people talk about the many terawatts of solar power that falls on the surface of the earth, most of that solar goes into two things: photochemistry (like in plants) or to heating the earth's surface. Plants make very efficient use of the solar power that falls on them, and a black, nonreflective object will convert the incident solar power to heat (or reradiated infrared light) with extremely high efficiency. If we could focus efforts to developing technologies that capture sunlight first into chemistry or raw heat and converting that to electricity, rather than the direct conversion to electricity that photovoltaics do, we may have a better chance of reaching the 50% goal.
For instance, there was (is?) a solar power project [doe.gov] that in the California desert that was a solar-thermal generator. Hundreds of mirrors focused sunlight onto a tower, much like the Archimedes death ray (which has received some press in
I'll admit this isn't much use in the battlefield, which is what DARPA is aiming for, but it is not out of the question to consider a smaller solar thermal unit for an encampment, which used a different medium than sodium.
Re:Orbitting powerplants (Score:3, Informative)
True, but since you are getting it "for free" from the sun, a certain amount of inefficiency is tolerable. The lossage can be minimized by transmitting the power on the right frequenc