The Art of Particle Physics 125
PhysicsDavid writes to tell us about an article in Symmetry magazine. Jan-Henrik Anderson, a designer with a background in architecture, has collaborated with several particle physicists to develop visual representations of particles based on their physical characteristics. It is the closest most will ever get to 'seeing' a top quark.
It must just be me (Score:4, Interesting)
That said, I always find it interesting how the visual arts community attempts to capture the reality of the world based on the known principles of their day. Looking back through history at the artist rendering of our world provides us with a unique perspective on how wrong we were in describing the world in art.
I'm afraid that the world of quantum mechanics is just too weird for us to capture in visual display. Perhaps it will take someone like Dali [dali-gallery.com] or Escher [mcescher.com] to provides us with a view of the quantum world.
But again, it could just be me.
Re:It must just be me (Score:3, Funny)
Lucky you. I don't see a damn thing because Slashdot has destroyed another unlucky webserver.
Re:It must just be me (Score:1, Redundant)
I wonder if they have ever experienced a slashdotting?
Re:It must just be me (Score:5, Funny)
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> Lucky you. I don't see a damn thing because Slashdot has destroyed another unlucky webserver.
You're leaping to conclusions.
I also don't see a damn thing, but from that I can conclude only that Slashdot has placed a webserver in a superposition of states between lucky-and-destroyed, lucky-and-not-destroyed, unlucky-and-destroyed, and unlucky-and-not-destroyed.
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Re:It must just be me (Score:3, Funny)
All you had to do was look at it from a different point in time-space. It is now a day later and the server and images are fine.
Next time try not to be so three-dimensional.
Re:It must just be me (Score:1)
Re:It must just be me (Score:4, Interesting)
For each generation of quarks, the article says that the two types of quark (such as top and down) are complements of each other; that is, if you put them on top of each other it creates a solid space.
Overall they did a decent job of representing the spin, color, and generation. And they chose a shape which has an orientation, so that direction can be expressed. I'm not sure that you get so good feel for the masses of the particles, though...
Complements (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah, I noticed that too. I think this might lead to misconceptions that up/down, strange/charmed, top/bottom have the same relationships to each other as guanine/cytosine and adenine/(uracil|thymine), when, of course, these pairs merely represent (AFAIK) sibling relationships within a family. First of all, quarks come in threes, not twos (unless you consider anti-quarks to be quarks), and secondly, the threesomes can come from combinations from different families, such as \Lambda^0 which is one each of the up, down, and strange quarks.
I was hoping that the designs had something to do with their proposed string theory vibrations, but as far as I can tell, this was not the inspiration. Instead, TFA mentions that the shapes are just to indicate whether the particles are first, second, or third "generation".
Re:Complements (Score:2, Interesting)
Whilst the skill of graphical artists continually amazes me, I think trying to represent eleven dimensions on a 2D plane would prove to be somewhat difficult,
Re:Complements (Score:1)
Mathematically speaking, the requirement is that the observable particles be SU(3)-singlets, i.e. states which are invariant under SU(3) transformations in color space.
To be more detailed (Score:3, Interesting)
When I say quarks come in threes, I mean they come in multiples of three - usually -1, 0, or 1 multiple of 3.
A few ways you can get to 3:
Re:To be more detailed (Score:1)
Only partly mistaken (Score:3, Informative)
Particles with 3 quarks are fermions, and particles with 2 quarks (or more exactly, 1 quark and 1 anti-quark) are bosons.
However, fermions do not necessarily have 3 quarks, and bosons do not necessarily have 2 quarks. Any particle with a half-integer spin is a fermion. This includes electrons, neutrinos, and hadrons with an odd number of quark/anti-quarks. Any particle with an even-integer spin is a boson. This includes photons, gravitons, and hadrons with an even number of quark/anti-quarks. Neutron-pair
Re:It must just be me (Score:4, Insightful)
From the website:
Leonard Shlain proposes that the visionary artist is the first member of a culture to see the world in a new way. Then, nearly simultaneously, a revolutionary physicist discovers a new way to think about the world. Escorting the reader through the classical, medieval, Renaissance and modern eras, Shlain shows how the artists' images when superimposed on the physicists' concepts create a compelling fit.
I haven't read this particular book, but I read his other two: Sex, Time, & Power, and Alphabet vs. The Goddess. They were fascinating reads!
Re:It must just be me (Score:3)
Funny that he made that observation because the only two departments on the campus I attended would still have lights on after 8:00 pm were physics and art.
You'd think they would have noticed themselves and offered to buy each other a round.
Re:It must just be me (Score:2)
excellent read (Score:2)
Re:MOD PARENT UP (Score:1, Offtopic)
Website Mistake. (Score:5, Informative)
The pdf version [symmetrymagazine.org] of the site shows the correct models.
I spent forever staring at those incorrect models trying to make sense of them, before realizing that top and down were the same, and that something must be wrong
Re:Website Mistake. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Website Mistake. (Score:5, Funny)
What constitutes the principle? (Score:2)
The most-recent-version-only-in-Google-cache part, or the part with the desperate prom date?
(Me, I'm hoping for the desperate-prom-date part of course. My sorry, single ass could use one of those...)
Re:Website Mistake. (Score:2, Informative)
Particles (Score:1, Funny)
Odd (Score:1)
An absolutely PERFECT representation (Score:5, Funny)
Re:An absolutely PERFECT representation (Score:2)
This site went down so fast it didn't even make it to Mirrordot.
Time to upgrade the modem.
Re:An absolutely PERFECT representation (Score:2, Informative)
Late for the party (Score:2, Troll)
It is the closest most will ever get to 'seeing' a top quark.
Damn, slashdotted. I'm late to the party again. Then again, maybe this is the way phyicists are getting revenge for never being invited to those sorts of parties [clivebanks.co.uk].
Top-Less Quark! (Score:1, Funny)
What about seeing a "top-less" quark?
Re:Top-Less Quark! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Top-Less Quark! (Score:1)
Oh god! The vision! THE VISION! Get it out! Get it out of my head! AHHHRRGGHH!
They didn't leave it on the cutting room floor (Score:2)
Topping a seedy Quark! (Score:2)
"It is the closest most will ever get to 'seeing' a top quark."
Better than topping a seedy quark...
could be better? (Score:3, Interesting)
As a non-scientist, the images I was exposed to growing up were always spheres orbiting spheres, which inevitably led to the 'realization' of everyone I knew (including myself) at some point in their life that atoms were just like the solar system, and what if we are in just a big atom, and atoms really are just little solar systems...? This image [wikimedia.org], showing the electron 'cloud' around a hydrogen nucleus, is very enlightening for someone who is terrible at math. Totally destroys the 'recursing solar system' theory ;)
Re:could be better? (Score:1)
Well, if you acelerate time fast enough, and choose the right frame of reference, the Earth could describe a cloud around the sun as well as an electron around a nucleus.
(disclaimer: I used to dream about atoms being little solar systems too, and I dont want to throw those ideas from my childhood so easily!! :)
Re:could be better? (Score:1)
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Re:could be better? (Score:1)
Spheres orbiting spheres is a time-dependent representation. Note, that electrons still do fly around protons.
I think, this confusion between electron orbitals as wave functions (time-independent) and as particel movement around a center (time-dependent) is very popular, even under academics.
Re:could be better? (Score:1)
Spheres orbiting spheres is a time-dependent representation. Note, that electrons still do fly around protons.
You ought to be a bit more precise about what you mean by "fly around," since the s orbital states have zero orbital angular momentum and zero expected linear velocity relative to the nucleus. Also, the only time-dependent behavior in these states is a phase rotation, which doesn't change the probability densities being depicted in the charts. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to say that th
Might be some pretty pictures, but... (Score:4, Interesting)
So is at least 20% of every science class (Score:2)
Re:So is at least 20% of every science class (Score:3, Insightful)
The Fluid Dynamics I was talking about wasn't just lacking in applicability, it was completely misleading as to the true behaviour of fluids. If you want the specifics, it was along the lines of: second year FD teaches that a fluid can flow in a uniform fashion down a
I may be in a devil's-advocate mood today, but... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I may be in a devil's-advocate mood today, but. (Score:3, Interesting)
Let's see... (Score:5, Funny)
Electron: Draw small circle with minus sign in it.
Proton: Draw small but slightly larger circle with plus sign in it.
Quark: Fire up raytracing software. For hardcopy, be sure to have a color printer handy.
So much for back-of-a-napkin physics.
Rich
Re:Let's see... (Score:5, Funny)
The times, they are a-changin'.
(got sarcasm?)
Re:Let's see... (Score:2)
Re:Let's see... (Score:2)
Re:Let's see... (Score:1)
Antimatter (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Antimatter (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Antimatter (Score:1)
Yes, you are quite correct (as you can easily determine if you look inside the master.css file). Simplebits gave me some initial ideas about colours and layouts. The sliding doors technique described on A List Apart helped complete the menu, and numerous other tweaks and improvements from other articles on that site. Ruby and ERB does a lot of heavy lifting in regards to assembling various bits of body and sidebard con
Cache (Score:2, Informative)
Schroedinger's Sever (Score:4, Funny)
Quark! (Score:4, Informative)
The name "quark" was taken by Murray Gell-Mann from the book "Finnegan's Wake" by James Joyce. The line "Three quarks for Muster Mark..." appears in the fanciful book. Gell-Mann received the 1969 Nobel Prize for his work in classifying elementary particles.
Re:Quark! (Score:1)
And now you know...
why visual? why not auditory, smell, touch, etc.? (Score:2)
I wonder what these quarks sound like, smell like, or feel like.
Re:why visual? why not auditory, smell, touch, etc (Score:2, Funny)
Based on the universal poultry constant, the answer is intuitively Chicken.
Re:why visual? why not auditory, smell, touch, etc (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:why visual? why not auditory, smell, touch, etc (Score:1)
Re:why visual? why not auditory, smell, touch, etc (Score:1)
Mirrordot to the rescue... (Score:3, Informative)
Was expecting more... (Score:1)
Maybe it was a case like this gem [jedimaster.net] where some phycist was making a joke out of a colleague's poor artistic skills...
The Supersymmetric Up Quark (Score:1)
Have to say it... (Score:3, Funny)
Sure beats, "Man on a chair" in my book any day.
"Most"? (Score:3, Funny)
You figure there is some means whereby some will get closer?
Re:"Most"? (Score:1, Insightful)
I've heard advanced mathematics described as "silent music" - in every way as interesting and pleasing as Beethoven, except impossible to "hear" directly.
Correct Link to "legend" (Score:1)
It's here: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~janhande/sizedmatte r/standard_model.htm [umich.edu]
Working for Me (Score:2, Insightful)
I mean, look at that rendering of a photon: it has a tube down the middle? What's in that tube? Shouldn't the most base substance of the universe be spheres? Can't think of a simpler structure...
Again, with the I'm not a physicist.
Re:Working for Me (Score:3, Interesting)
At these scales, "things" become meaningless. Its just points of force and energy wiggling near each other. There would simply be "nothing" in the "tube" in a photon (remember its just an artists representation).
What is there between two oxygen molecules in the near void of space?
These things aren't made of anything. They are parts of an equation. We don't even know that they exist in any real sense, we can only infer their existence through crude macro scale
Re:Working for Me (Score:1)
Re:Working for Me (Score:2)
Well, what you said there is true, in the Fairy Tale Universe. But unfortunately, the real one appears to be bit too complex to completely grasp intuitively. But hey, if building a 3d moving picture in your head ev
Re:Working for Me (Score:2)
Re:Working for Me (Score:2)
Hmm, maybe the pictures are intended to make you wonder that?
I mean, quarks are the most elementary particles that we know of, but there are still quite a few varieties of quark (remember, we used to think we could explain all forms of matter with protons, neutrons, and electrons). What makes all these quarks different? Are they elementary, or are they made of something else?
Symmetry (Score:2, Funny)
W Boson Charge? (Score:1)
Also, it seems odd to have the boson part of the chart arranged so that the photon is so visually connected with the quarks.
Which CMS are they running? (Score:1)
Re:Which CMS are they running? (Score:1)
Photons... (Score:3, Funny)
Mod parent +1 Funny (Score:1)
I've seen them (Score:2)
The moment you see them, they're gone, so it's hard to get a good look.
Attractive, but misleading, representations (Score:4, Informative)
Moreover, as an encoder of particle properties, he has forgotten to include a bunch of those properties in his representations. There are also some funny misleading conventions too. For example, his representation does not even begin to convey how much more massive the top quark is than the up quark. So much for building intution. Also, intrinsic spin is a subtle beast and he seems to sweep the details under the carpet. For example, a spin 1/2 object (like a quark) must be be rotated 720 degrees before it returns to its original state. Making a little curley fry to represent a spin 1/2 object seems a lazy, misleading, and simply wrong.
In my opinion, while the art is an attractive visual treat (and certainly a little physics PR is not bad), it seems a long way from being a complete, useful, or pedagogical representation of these complex objects.
And yes, IAAP
Re:Attractive, but misleading, representations (Score:5, Interesting)
[disclaimer: IAAHEP]
a most basic lack in the visual representation of these "objects" is the lack of *relationship* -- quarks *cannot* exist in isolation in our dimensioned universe, just as leptons (in the understanding of them as point particles) *must* be "dressed" by virtual interactions -- reducing quarks and leptons to static visual representations is a dis-service at both the PR and substantive levels (interestingly enough, before i was a HEP, i was a PR flack -- life is so strange)
it is not the "objects" but the "operators" that connect them that contain nearly all the wonder and understanding -- the representation (visual, sonic, olfactory, mathematical or what-have-you) of a quark or lepton is interesting and useful only insofar as it leads to a deeper understanding of the way they are embedded into the whole world -- this depth of understanding seems to me to be the goal of both interesting art and science, and it does not seem to be well served by the images offered here
to my mind (viz. IMHO), feynman diagrams are a deeper and truer art in the sense that they evoke the underlying nature of the thing they purport to represent -- think of feynman diagrams in the same sense as picasso's line art -- the only difference i see is that picasso drew up in us the things we (or nearly all of we) share in our wordless hearts while feynman created a method of seeing new things in a way that leveraged old visual understandings -- feynman's vision (his *notation*) will only be superseded in the sense that newton's representation of gravitational interaction is superseded by einstein's -- the images presented here lack this deeper nature
cheers,
kevin (as if you didn't already know!)
Nobody will ever need more than 6 types of quarks. (Score:2, Insightful)
Seems awfully shortsighted to me. I would hope that as we learn more about the quantum world, we will be able to develop more accurate visual models of it. Or am I missing something?
Re:Nobody will ever need more than 6 types of quar (Score:2)
Do you mean "accurate visual" in the sense of being more like what quark looks like, or a more accurate visualisation of it's characteristics?
If you mean the former, then I think that Quantum Mechanics pretty much precludes that possibility - the more precisely a (very small) object's location is known, the less precisely it's m
Just when I thought I was resonably smart....... (Score:1)
Particle Drawings in 2004 & 1878 (Score:2, Interesting)
Slightly off-topic... (Score:3, Interesting)
A couple of other links from the page above:
The rest is slightly off-topic.
I actually had Jan-Henrick as a professor in college [umich.edu] for Introduction to Industrial Design. One of the top five classes I had there. Not only is he an incredibly smart guy, he's also very well rounded, with knowledge and background in all manner of subjects and interests, some well-known, others quite obscure. And he's absolutely one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. It only makes sense that he was hired there when they were just starting to implement the new curriculum, which has a much greater emphasis on diversity of learning [umich.edu].
Just Beautiful (Score:2)
Aptlets (Score:2, Informative)
Photons as force carriers (Score:2)
Seeing the photon rendition reminded me of virtual photons. I wonder how such art would represent virtual particles?
Now, I have seen said in many places that virtual photons are the carriers of the electromagnetic force. With infinite range, the carrier would have to be of a class like a photon.
What I haven't seen yet is a cogent explanation as to why a "colorless", chargeless particle could carry both the attractive (positive to negative) and repulsive (positive-positive or negative-negative) forces. I
Art...with a capital PH (Score:2)