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Double-Slit Experiment in Time, Not Space

Posted by timothy on Wed Mar 02, 2005 06:04 PM
from the that-young-guy-did-a-bunch-of-stuff dept.
TheMatt writes "Thomas Young's double-slit experiment is a classic experiment that helped establish the wave-like nature of light. Since then, it has been done with atoms, buckyballs, and biomolecules. It has even been seen in a single molecule, and the single electron version was voted the most beautiful experiment by Physics World readers (covered previously on Slashdot). Now, PhysicsWeb is reporting that Gerhard Paulus and coworkers have conducted the double-slit experiment using a double-slit in time, not space. The "slit" was a crafted femtosecond pulse consisting of one-and-a-half cycles--say, two maxima and one minima--passed through an argon gas. Each maxima has a probability of ionizing an argon atom and producing an electron. The electrons were accelerated to a detector which observed an interference pattern since the detector had no idea which maximum produced the electron."
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  • by grub (11606) <slashdot@grub.net> on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:05PM (#11828821) Homepage Journal

    Just today at lunch I was saying "Wouldn't it be cool to craft a femtosecond pulse consisting of 1.5 cycles, say 2 maxima and 1 minima, passed through argon gas? We could get electrons which could be accelerated then observe the resulting interference patterns!"

    Well, that didn't fly. The guys got pissed off and yelled "Shut up and watch the stripper!" so I sheepishly went back to my titties and beer.
    • by gardyloo (512791) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:19PM (#11828963)
      Hm... strip club....

      Gas? Check.
      Femtosecond pulses? Not that kind of club, but Check.
      Maxima with a minimum between them? Yup.

      Dude, it was all there. What else did you need?!?
    • Just today at lunch I was saying "Wouldn't it be cool to craft a femtosecond pulse consisting of 1.5 cycles, say 2 maxima and 1 minima, passed through argon gas?"

      No, you have it wrong. See, It is possible to synthesize excited bromide in an argon matrix! Yes, it's an excimer, frozen in its excited state...As soon as we apply a field, we couple to a state that is radiatively coupled to the ground state.
      • by davidoff404 (764733) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:27PM (#11829036)
        Unconscionable nonsense. The idea of rotation in 1 dimension is not only physically meaningless, it is mathematically impossible. In order to produce a rotation one must have a gauge group such as SO(2) or SO(3). Since rotation is undefined in the case of a manifold with topology R^1, "Dr. Elliot's theory of moving dimensions" is nothing more than meaningless bullshit. You can copy and paste all you want from the intellectual desert that is PhysicsForums, but it won't compensate for the fact that you (and Dr. Elliot) haven't a bloody clue what you're talking talking about.

        And yes, I am a physicist.
          • by davidoff404 (764733) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:45PM (#11829198)
            What about it doesn't make sense to you? It's a new way of thinking. It makes sense to me:

            It's not a new way of thinking at all; crackpots have been coming up with stuff like this for decades. I take it as granted that you lack the mathematics to spot the logical inconsistencies in what you're saying, so you'll just have to trust me when I say there is *nothing* of value in your idea. As a simple example:

            What about it doesn't make sense to you? It's a new way of thinking. It makes sense to me:

            That's so ridiculous it's not even wrong. If you're truly interested in understanding this sort of thing you could do a lot worse than to buy a book on special relativity.
          • by davidoff404 (764733) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @07:24PM (#11829544)
            You're entirely correct. There are two possible topologies, or shapes, that are one dimensional. Mathematicians say that a line has topology R^1, while a closed curve has topology S^1. (As an aside, the S^1 notation refers to the fact that a closed curve is essentially a circle since it is possible to continuously deform such a curve until it "looks like" a circle.)

            The interesting thing about topological spaces is that they often have symmetries that are physically meaningful. In the case of a straight line the symmetry is called translational symmetry: this simply means that the line will look the same as you travel along it. To a physicist this means that there exists a "gauge group" for a line (a gauge group is essentially a group of transformations that generates a symmetry). The important thing is that the gauge group for a line corresponds to translational invariance, not to rotational invariance as the parent claimed.
  • Ah yes... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:06PM (#11828837)
    I've been trying for years to do the double-slit experiment. Alas, the wife still won't go for it.
  • huh?! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dues (786223) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:09PM (#11828864)
    "Adressen på den hjemmeside, du ønsker at finde, er enten forkert, eller også eksisterer hjemmesiden ikke længere. Du kan prøve følgende:
    Tjekke om adressen er stavet rigtigt. Bemærk at det har betydning, om du bruger store eller små bogstaver!"

    that may as well have been the writeup, because i don't understand a word of it.
    • Re:huh?! (Score:5, Informative)

      by fermion (181285) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:32PM (#11829086) Homepage Journal
      Ok, here we go. There are a few experiments that have redefined the way we think of waves of matter. These often use simple apparatus but incredible levels of deductions. First, the Michelson-Morley Experiment tested the assumption that waves had to have a medium of travel. We knew that light was a wave, and waves were energy that traveled in matter, like water waves. After the great experiment, we knew that light could and did travel in a vacuum, unlike say sound waves. Another change came when Einstein discovered that he could use light to knock electrons off of atoms in a way that looked very much like a billiard ball knocking bricks of a wall. It now seemed that the photon was a particle.

      What the double slit experiment did was allow us to show that light is both. In the experiment, one shines a pinpoint of light onto two very thin slits. The physics of waves dictate that waves will interfere in a characteristic pattern. This was later used with any matter of particles to show that the wave/particle duality, that is, all suitable small things act like waves or particles depending on the circumstances.

      The experiment depends on the fact that we have no idea which slit any particular particle passes through. This uncertainty, in a certain sense, allows particles to go through both slits, which is why a single electron will interfere with itself. If we do know which slit an particle goes through, then then interference disappears. In this way we can show that particles are a wave until, in Schrödinger terms, we collapse it into a wave. So the experiment can show the duality.

      So, to summarize, when the state of any particular particle is left uncertain, and certain other conditions are met, it will interfere as a wave. What they are doing here is introducing the uncertainty through a ultra-short pulse of light. There are two ways that the pulse could interact with the surrounding particles, but the universe does not know exactly which interaction occurred. There, the strange and headache producing phenomenon of the sub atomic world are allowed to manifest. I am not sure how this is time instead of space, but it is neat.

  • by American AC in Paris (230456) * on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:13PM (#11828906) Homepage
    Thomas Young's double-slit experiment is a classic experiment that helped establish the wave-like nature of light. Since then, it has been done with atoms, buckyballs, and biomolecules.

    Not to mention flowers [angryflower.com], too...

  • Elegant (Score:5, Informative)

    by kickabear (173514) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:14PM (#11828920) Homepage
    It's nice to see working physicists earn a chance to demonstrate something novel.

    For those of you who are unfamiliar with the double-slit experiment, there is a very clear, non-technical explanation here [utoronto.ca].

  • by Squeeze Truck (2971) <xmsho@yahoo.com> on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:31PM (#11829074) Homepage
    I thought the meaning of the double slit test was to prove that the single electron actually passed through both slits, and in essence interfered with itself.
    But in this case we're dealing with two different electrons fired at different times, so it's not quite the same.

    Even so, if the electrons create the interference pattern, that means they must have collided... in time? So the second electron reached the point of collision before it was actually fired.
    Does that mean that every electron travels every possible path in space AND in time? So whenever it is possible for an electron to be fired, it does, and interferes with all other electrons fired at all other times?

    My head hurts. Damn you, Science.
    • by gardyloo (512791) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:44PM (#11829183)
      Does that mean that every electron travels every possible path in space AND in time? So whenever it is possible for an electron to be fired, it does, and interferes with all other electrons fired at all other times?

      Basically, yup. Read Feynman's QED. He claims (and the math and experiments bear him out thus far) that all photons are particles, all electrons are particles, etc., and that this "all possible paths" concept is what accounts for their "wavelike" manifestations.
  • Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Husgaard (858362) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:33PM (#11829099)
    I am not a physicist, but a bit interested in stuff like this.

    Looks to be that they have redone the classic double-slit experiment in a new variation.

    Instead of having the two slits existing at the same time but in different 3d space, they made the slits in different time, but in same 3d space.

    Probably we have the same quantum effect as in the traditional double-slit experiment: When trying to determine which slit the particle passes through the interference pattern goes away, as the waves change change to particles.

    It doesn't look to me like they have seen that experimentally yet. Their setup that did not produce the interference pattern looks more like a single-slit to me.

    But I think that an attempt to find out at which of the two maxima are ionizing an argon atom should make the interference pattern go away.

  • by wcrowe (94389) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:44PM (#11829188)
    ...how can we turn this into some sort of weapon?

  • A Brief Explanation (Score:5, Informative)

    by MAdMaxOr (834679) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:49PM (#11829235)
    **Skip the first part if you know the basics.

    If you pass a water wave through a wall with two slits in it, you will get interference. If you put another solid wall (no slits) beyond and parallel to the first wall, you will see that the water line on the 2nd wall looks like a sinewave with magnitude tapering off as you get further from the slits.

    If you pass particles (electrons, photons, etc) at a wall with two slits, and place a "detecting wall" beyond the first wall, then the distribution of electrons hitting the detecting wall would be similar to the wave observed against the 2nd wall in the water example.

    --New Experiment--

    In the new example, two pulses of light can trigger an electron to be released. Think of these two pulses as pulling a trigger on a gun while playing russian roulette. The electron is the bullet and the detector is your head. If you pulled the trigger at 0 secs and 2 secs, you'd expect to see a person die at 0.01 seconds and/or/neither 2.01 seconds, assuming it took 0.01 seconds for the bullet to reach the person and kill him.

    The detector, however sees an interference pattern. This is like seeing deaths at 1 second or 1.5 seconds. The interference pattern is measured as a function of time, and instead of seeing two blips in time, they saw a range.
  • by null etc. (524767) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @07:23PM (#11829539)
    This has enormous ramifications for the lay person. Let me break it down.

    The "slit" was a crafted femtosecond pulse consisting of one-and-a-half cycles--say, two maxima and one minima--passed through an argon gas.

    Anyone who has a femtosecond pulse generator should feel comfortable with this. If not, get access to a two-photon UV femtosecond pulse generator which uses nanosecond-time-scale infrared laser to deplete the terminal state of an F2 laser, based on F2 transitions.

    Next, you'll want a healthy dose of argon gas. Argon is used to reduce heat loss in sealed units by slowing down convection inside the air space. You can get argon gas cartridges to prevent wine oxidation, which is a neat little side benefit. A 50L cylinder filled with argon gas to a pressure of 10130 kPa at 30C has approximately 201 moles of argon. Just remember that if you're going to lase with argon, its most efficient transitions are at 488 nm and 514.5 nm.

    So now you'll need to create an ion chamber using the argon gas. You'll need a metal conducting can, and a wire electrode in the center which is well insulated from the chamber walls. The chamber, of course, will be filled with argon.

    Next, you'll need to use your femtosecond pulse generator to apply a DC voltage between the outer can and center electrode. This will create an electric field, of only a few volts, that sweeps the ions to the oppositely charged electrodes. For some additional fun, if you apply a few hundred volts, the electron emissions will produce "secondary emissions", which amplify the results. I wouldn't recommend creating one of these by hand if you haven't already done so, but remember to use a 4.7uF capacitor with non-polar film, a 100,000 megohm resistor and a 2N4117A electrometer-grade JFET.

    Anyways, generating a local maxima shouldn't be too difficult if you keep the phase dynamics of your pulse generator within one half delta of the wavelength propogation delay of your argon gas cylinder. This, as always, varies according to room temperature, so be sure to calibrate your scales before attempting the experiment.

    The trickiest part of the experiment is to build a ray tube to display your intereference pattern. I suggest using a Tektronix Type 453 Oscilloscope, which may be hard to find but has the best bang per buck.

    In no time at all, you'll be generating double slits in time!

    • by ac3boy (638979) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:20PM (#11828976)
      "In the classic version of the experiment, electrons pass through a mask containing two parallel slits and produce a pattern of bright and dark interference fringes on a screen." Wasn't this called Pong?
    • Bored... (Score:5, Informative)

      by PDAllen (709106) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:41PM (#11829164)
      Basically, you can look at light, or electrons, or whatever, as either a particle or a wave. Sometimes one interpretation will work better (light as a particle explains the photoelectric effect, light as a wave explains interference patterns, diffraction, etc). Current state of play is that the wave interpretation is always the best way to look at things, except when you observe the system everything collapses to particles, and when something mathematically inconvenient happens (you can explain the photoelectric effect in terms of waves, but the maths is horrible).

      Classic two slit experiment with light consists of shining laser light on a barrier with two slits; each slit produces a diffraction pattern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction), the diffraction patterns interfere to produce the classic two slit pattern, see same link. This basically works because the laser light is coherent, you can (sort of) treat all the photons coming from the laser like one photon.

      If you do this with electrons, because electrons are waves, you get the same patterns. Ditto any other particle.

      Even if you do this experiment firing only one electron at a time you will get the same two-slit interference pattern, although 'common sense' tells you the electron can only pass through one of the two slits what actually happens is it passes through both at once. If on the other hand you fit a detector over one slit to register the passage of electrons, so you can tell which slit the electron passes through, you lose the interference pattern, you get two overlapping single slit diffraction patterns, which is not the same thing.

      Roughly, if you have two slits and whenever an electron is fired at the slits you do not know which slit it went through, but the classical probability (what you'd expect if you didn't know quantum mechanics) of either slit is 0.5, then you will get a two-slit pattern.

      This is basically the same experiment, except instead of two slits in space a little distance apart there are two possible source times for the electron, separated by a small time gap. There is no way to know whether a detected electron was produced at the first or second time, so the maths works out (roughly) the same as for the two slits in space case and you would expect to see the classic two-slits pattern. But it is kind of neat that someone's actually found a way to test that idea.
    • by Husgaard (858362) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @06:44PM (#11829189)
      No, their experiment rather suggests that time is just another dimension like Einstein said.

      The experiment is the same as a known one, with a single difference: In the traditional experiment the slits are separated by a difference in the normal 3d space, But in this experiement the slices are at the same place in the normal 3d space but separated by a difference in time.

    • Re:Hrm (Score:5, Informative)

      by Quantum Fizz (860218) on Wednesday March 02 2005, @07:11PM (#11829431)
      I'll explain the 'classic' double-slit experiment so you can see how this is cool, similar yet different.

      The double-slit experiment classically involved sending light through two small slits closely separated, onto a dark screen. If light was particulate, you'd expect to see only two bright spots on the screen. But you see a whole interference pattern, with the brightest spot located between the two slits.

      This is because of diffraction, and that light acts like a wave, so you get constructive and destructive interference on the screen.

      What we didn't know until the 20th century is that light consists of photons, which are individual quanta of electromagnetic radiation. These photons interfere with each other in space as they go through the slits, to give the characteristic interference pattern on the far screen. Or, that the photons don't go through a single slit, but the photons actually go through both slits, and you don't know where the photon is until you measure it (ie, let it hit the screen).

      The current experiment effectively used a laser to create two 'slits' in time. They made two quick laser pulses (really two maxima and one minimum). The pulses have some probability of creating an electron, and by making two discrete pulses in time, there is a similar 'interference pattern' associated with observing the electron at various points in time. This means that the electron wasn't created from one laser pulse or the other, but was effectively created through both slits, the time separation of which created an interference effect.

      There's no new quantum mechanics here, but here's an attempt at a layman's explanation of what's called the propagator. In classical mechanics you have a well-defined trajectory from a set of well-defined initial conditions (ie, a ball on a spring has a well-defined position and momentum at some time, and you can exactly predict where the ball will be at future times). See this article [wikipedia.org] for example.

      Quantum mechanics extends this because there is a classical path the ball would take, but also infinitely many other 'quantum' paths that can also bring the ball from position X at time 0 to position Y at time T. Many of these are classically impossible. But Quantum Mechanics deals with a wavefunction (which describes the state of the system) which is complex. So you need to consider all these other paths too, but each path has an associated phase with it. When you maintain this phase coherence between all paths, you are basically building a similar interference pattern. So when you take the modulus squared of the wavefunction to find the probability of finding the electron, you have interference from the wavefunction going through either of the two slits in time.

      The difficulty is that you have to repeat the experiment many times to see when you measure the electron, just like w/ the classical double-slit experiment you need enough photons to give a relative intensity that can be measured.

      Here's a little math for anyone curious. The time progression of a wavefunction looks like
      |Psi(t)>=exp(-i*H*t/hbar)|Psi(0)>
      where |Psi(t)> is the wavefunction at time t, i is the square root of negative one, H is the Hamiltonian Operator, hbar is the Planck constant. See here for more information on the Hamiltonian for classical [wikipedia.org] and quantum [wikipedia.org] mechanics. In many cases it's the energy operator (expressed in terms of position and momentum), and acts on discrete energy eigenstates.

      But you can see that time translation evolves the 'phase' of the wavefunction. And if the wavefunction isn't in a single energy eigenstate but a combination of them, each individual component will have have the phase evolve at a different