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Asteroid Flies Under the Radar, Literally

Posted by samzenpus on Wed Dec 22, 2004 07:50 PM
from the too-late-to-drill dept.
mrn121 writes "Space.com is reporting that a 16-foot wide asteriod has passed the Earth in a phenomenally close call. The Asteroid, named 2004 YD5, passed just below the 22,300 mile range where geostationary satellites sit. What makes the incident most interesting is that the asteriod was not seen until after it passed the Earth, due to the well-known Cosmic Blind Spot caused by the Sun."
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  • First post (Score:5, Insightful)

    by IO ERROR (128968) * <error.ioerror@us> on Wednesday December 22 2004, @07:51PM (#11164189) Homepage Journal
    Asteroids this small, if they were to enter the atmosphere, would break up and the pieces would burn up on entry. Little or none of it would reach the ground in any form you could recover it.

    The asteroids that are large enough to do damage can be seen far away enough that the cosmic blind spot is irrelevant. The article mentions a 2.9 mile wide asteroid (which would quickly wipe out all life on the planet [nationalgeographic.com] if it hit) which scientists have known about for years. It won't come anywhere close.

    At the moment, we have no defense against a planet-killing asteroid, but the European Space Agency [esa.int] is studying the issue [cnn.com], and NASA's Deep Impact [nasa.gov] project is also working on it.

    • This is NOT reassuring ... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @07:56PM (#11164228) Homepage Journal
      Four small groups of dedicated astronomers in Arizona and California, totaling fewer than the number of employees at an average fast-food restaurant and using mostly off-the-shelf equipment for their telescopes, have been mapping the heavens and steadily adding to the number of known near-Earth objects. The article from TIME is here [slashdot.org]

      Something more dedicated to this would make everyone feel better probably
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        • Re:This is NOT reassuring ... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Pantero Blanco (792776) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @09:52PM (#11165018)
          If there WAS an asteroid hurtling towards us and we had significant warning, I'm sure we could throw something together. If we don't have that ability today, the information we gather now could be useful in the future if such an event occurs.
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    • Re:First post (Score:5, Informative)

      by Laivincolmo (778355) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:01PM (#11164268)
      NASA's Deep Impact is going to impact a comet to study the composition of it. If sucessful the impact will create a crater on the surface. It has little to do with breaking up asteroids.
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      • Re:First post (Score:5, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:02PM (#11164292)
        Not really, the asteroid could be totally illiterate and it would still burn up.
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      • Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by BrianH (13460) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:21PM (#11164435)
        Correct, a nuke detonated against an asteroid could conceivably break it up or change its course. It's just a shame that we don't have a delivery system with the range, speed, or accuracy needed to actually HIT an incoming asteroid.
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                  • Re:Tell that to Bikini Atoll... (Score:5, Interesting)

                    by Stealth Potato (619366) on Thursday December 23 2004, @01:34AM (#11166069)
                    Well, let's run some numbers, shall we?

                    Warning! Gross oversimplifications and estimates follow! :-)

                    For the purposes of this problem, we'll assume the ginormous million-year doomsday rock, a 1000-m diameter chunk of iron. A 1000-meter sphere of iron has a mass of 3.30 × 10^13 kilograms. At an impact speed of, say, 30 km/s (approximately Earth's speed of orbit around the sun), that rock has a total of (1/2) * (3.30×10^13 kg) * (3×10^4 m/s)^2 = 1.5 × 10^22 Joules of kinetic energy.

                    Now, let's make some assumptions about the atmosphere. We'll assume the atmosphere is of uniform density, distribution, and composition, and about 120km high (not a terrible approximation, but not a good one either). The volume of the atmosphere is then (4/3) * pi * ((6.498×10^6)^3 - (6.378×10^6)^3) = 6.25 × 10^19 m^3.

                    The density of air at sea level is approximately 1.29 kg/m^3, so the mass of our atmosphere is then (6.25×10^19 m^3) * (1.29kg/m^3) = 8.06 × 10^19 kg.

                    If we assume the volume remains constant, the specific heat of the atmosphere is 716 J/kg*K, so the introduction of 1.5 × 10^22 Joules of energy will result in a temperature increase of dT = E / (m*s) = (1.5 × 10^22) / (8.06 × 10^19 kg * 716 J/kg*K) = 0.26 K

                    So, in summary, a 1-km diameter asteroid made entirely of iron, travelling at 30km/s relative to the Earth, and assuming all the kinetic energy was converted to thermal energy and spread evenly across the entire globe, would raise worldwide temperature by less than half a degree celsius.

                    Now, if we assume a rock like the one supposed to have extinguished the dinosaurs, i.e., a 10-km rock, which consequently has 1000 times the mass, then the global temperature change could be as high as 260 degrees celsius, which is where things really start cooking.

                    If I made any slip-ups in my math, please point them out. It's entirely possible, since I didn't bother double-checking. Although I made so many liberal assumptions anyway that if you use these numbers for anything, you're crazy. This was more a diversion into the sort of problem you'd find in an elementary physics textbook than an actual scientific exercise. :-)
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  • Hmm (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 22 2004, @07:52PM (#11164195)
    Someone wants us dead.

    Sounds like we need to send an exploratory force out towards the sun to find out who the bastards are! Maybe they're on venus or mercury or somethin.

    Oh wait. We don't _have_ an exploratory force. Oh well, guess we'll just have to be sitting ducks.

    Or hope this was just a freak coincidence.

    Sounds like a plot for a new movie...

  • by Timesprout (579035) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @07:53PM (#11164204)
    I'd rather not see it coming.
      • by fyngyrz (762201) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:10PM (#11164362) Homepage Journal
        No, no -- you must be from some other earth. Here, we don't spend money on planetary defense, we spend it on sports figures, actors, and politicians. And porn, of course.

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      • No they couldn't (Score:4, Informative)

        by BrianH (13460) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:19PM (#11164421)
        Despite what Hollywood would have you believe, ICBM's aren't designed to be launched into space and they have neither the thrust to propel a warhead out of our gravity well, nor the accuracy to hit anything smaller than 50km wide even if they did (and that's assuming that the asteroid is close). ICBM's were designed for one purpose...to put a small warhead within a few hundred yards of a stationary target less than 15,000 km away from the launch point. They are useless against moving targets hundreds of thousands of km away.

        There is nothing else we could throw at an incoming asteroid. The simple reality is that if we humans spotted a big rock coming at us, even with a month or two to prepare for it, all we could really do is dig a shelter, store food away, and pray that it comes down on the OTHER side of the planet.
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  • Everybody PANIC!!! (Score:4, Funny)

    by ChuckleBug (5201) * on Wednesday December 22 2004, @07:55PM (#11164217) Journal
    My God, we're doomed! I mean, if an asteroid too small to hit the surface can go undetected, how will we blast it out of the sky with our Planetary Orbital Defense Network?

  • Oops? But does it matter? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by agent dero (680753) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @07:55PM (#11164220) Homepage
    While that does kind of suck that we had no idea of it before it passed "close" by, one has to ask, does it matter if we see it coming or not?

    If an asteroid does head for us, will it matter if we see it coming or not? Or will the grandiose idea presented in "Armageddon" be employed (despite being cool as hell.)

    Personally, i'd rather be blindsided by a sixteen-wheeler, than sit by and see it head towards me for hours/days/weeks.
  • Let's see (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Linguica (144978) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @07:56PM (#11164225)
    The diameter of the earth is about 8,000 miles, so take the globe on your desk (you have one, right?) and imagine an object a little less than 3 diameters away...
  • by EmbeddedJanitor (597831) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @07:59PM (#11164245)
    How people love to play on our fears to get power, money etc.:

    Church: "Give us your money and listen to us or you BURN IN HELL!"

    DOE: "Give us your money etc or YOU'LL RUN OUT OF GAS!"

    NASA: "Give us your money or YOU'LL GET KILLED BY AN ASTEROID!"

  • Yay... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Scrab (573004) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:02PM (#11164279)
    Stealth Asteroids....

    I'm not worried though.

    I have my teeny triangular space ship, and I'll destroy it before it becomes a problem....
  • WARNING! (Score:5, Funny)

    Asteroids may be closer than they appear.
  • by zanderredux (564003) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:17PM (#11164408) Homepage
    how is it well known?

    I've never heard of it, until today!

  • Near-misses unnoticed (Score:4, Funny)

    by adam31 (817930) <adam31.gmail@com> on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:21PM (#11164437)
    But many near misses by small asteroids likely go unnoticed

    I think the Slashdot effect is very similar...
    submit a story, it gets rejected, and a server admin sleeps quietly through the night.

    One day... Mr Beer-Powered Robot Man. Just keep that site running......

  • Literally (Score:5, Insightful)

    by UnpopularOpinion (839794) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:54PM (#11164641)
    So... when you say 'literally', you mean 'metaphorically' right? As in not literally under a radar... *sigh*
  • by FleaPlus (6935) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @11:53PM (#11165657) Homepage Journal
    It's interesting to note that when Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-NY) tried to introduce a bill to provide additional funding for tracking near-earth asteroids, he was mocked [spacepolitics.com] by some of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's aides. In general, supporting things like this (even though they're actually pretty important) is a good way to get yourself targeted for "not caring about things here on Earth."
    • by Animaether (411575) on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:05PM (#11164311) Journal
      Just to correct something...

      Asteroid:
      Any of numerous small celestial bodies that revolve around the sun, with orbits lying chiefly between Mars and Jupiter and characteristic diameters between a few and several hundred kilometers. Also called minor planet, planetoid.
      I.E. still in space and orbiting.

      Meteor:
      A bright trail or streak that appears in the sky when a meteoroid is heated to incandescence by friction with the earth's atmosphere. Also called falling star, meteor burst, shooting star.
      I.E. that which is shooting through the atmosphere, heating it and itself up in the process due to friction.

      Meteoroid:
      A solid body, moving in space, that is smaller than an asteroid and at least as large as a speck of dust.
      I.E. still in space, not necessarily orbiting, smaller than an Asteroid. I think you meant this one.

      Meteorite:
      A stony or metallic mass of matter that has fallen to the earth's surface from outer space.
      I.E. Fallen onto the Earth. It's what you may find if you're either lucky, or very observant.

      So just to conclude.. this is indeed a Meteoroid, as it's not big enough to actually be an Asteroid. But it's more fun to say, and less confusing to the masses - especially the Nintendo owners out there.
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    • Re:meh (Score:5, Informative)

      by jc42 (318812) <jc1742NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday December 22 2004, @08:12PM (#11164369) Homepage Journal
      Yeah. A couple years ago, I ran across an article that contained a graph of object size versus frequency of entering the Earth's atmosphere. The 1-per-day frequency was for objects of about 3 meters diameter.

      Several objects of this thing's size enter our atmosphere each week. Most of them disintegrate in the atmostphere. A few have pieces that hit the ground, though they're usually rather small by the time they (or the pieces) hit.

      To do serious damage, we'll need a rock at least a few hundred meters across. Of course, one of those may hit us next week. Or 10,000 years from now. (Or both. ;-)

      I wonder if I could find that graph again?

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