
Earth's Magnetic Field Weakens 10 Percent 90
caryw writes "Interesting story from the AP. 'The strength of the Earth's magnetic field has decreased 10 percent over the past 150 years, raising the remote possibility that it may collapse and later reverse, flipping the planet's poles for the first time in nearly a million years, scientists said Thursday. At that rate of decline, the field could vanish altogether in 1,500 to 2,000 years, said Jeremy Bloxham of Harvard University. Hundreds of years could pass before a flip-flopped field returned to where it was 780,000 years ago. But scientists at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union cautioned that scenario is an unlikely one. "The chances are it will not," Bloxham said. "Reversals are a rare event."'"
X Men (Score:5, Funny)
Re:X Men (Score:1)
*shakes head* Kids these days.
Re:X Men (Score:3, Funny)
Re:X Men (Score:1)
Re:X Men (Score:3, Funny)
Re:X Men (Score:2)
Yes the Moro Islamic Liberation Front. I am not making [abs-cbnnews.com] that up.
Re:X Men (Score:2)
Wasn't this on PBS? (Score:4, Informative)
Apparently this is supposed to happen every 600,000 years. During the flip everyone on Earth will be exposed to elevated levels of cosmic/solar radiation increasing the chances for cancer. The good news is we'll have multiple auroras all over the planet as the fields move around.
Re:Wasn't this on PBS? (Score:3, Informative)
Nova [pbs.org] has made a nice documentary abt this.
Re:Wasn't this on PBS? (Score:1)
Re:Wasn't this on PBS? (Score:2)
Why wait? Don't they have raves in Mexico?
Tinfoil hat (Score:1)
but we're overdue (Score:1, Troll)
This was on NOVA a week or two ago (Score:1)
My TiVo captured it but I'm not going to let my kids watch it because it's pretty alarmist IMO (and, frankly, there's nothing we can do about it anyway).
Or maybe we can [imdb.com]?
Re:This was on NOVA a week or two ago (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:This was on NOVA a week or two ago (Score:1)
Wasn't as alarmist as it should be... (Score:2)
The following quote is from here [lsumc.edu]. But there are any other good resources out there.
"There have in fact been two periods in which mass extinction of a number of species, composed of a great number of individuals, occurred. One of these, at the close of Permian period, was characterized by the disappearance of nearly half of the spe
Re:Question is, what does that mean... (Score:5, Funny)
Didn't you see the movie "The Core?" (It stars the lucious Hillary Swank and shows the devastation that awaits a loss of the magnetosphere. See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298814/)
People with pacemakers will all die! Pigeons will get confused and fly into buildings! Electrical Superstorms will destroy ancient Roman Colosseums!
oh my god! (Score:1)
not the fall of rome, AGAIN??!!
it wasn't blasphemy! i said 'o me ga'. 'o-me-ga! omega-- fine, burn me at the stake.'
Re:Question is, what does that mean... (Score:2)
Didn't you see the movie "The Core?" (It stars the lucious Hillary Swank and shows the devastation that awaits a loss of the magnetosphere. See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298814/)
People with pacemakers will all die! Pigeons will get confused and fly into buildings! Electrical Superstorms will destroy ancient Roman Colosseums!
Pictures of what we can expect during the impending cataclysm:
The Coliseum getting destroyed [imdb.com].
Italians being chased by lightning [imdb.com].
I don't know what the hell
Re:Question is, what does that mean... (Score:1)
Pigeons already fly into my building at an alarming rate. One week last year we could hear them wack the glass everyday at around 5:30pm.
Geomagnetic field weakening (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Geomagnetic field weakening (Score:2)
Re:Geomagnetic field weakening (Score:2)
Re:Geomagnetic field weakening (Score:2)
Uh, very convincing (Score:5, Informative)
Second, the measured dipole field strength is only one component of the total field strength. Extrapolating the age of the earth based on the dipole field strength alone is not based on any accepted science.
"Scientific" Creationists like to believe that they're using science to support their theist assertions, but that is just the problem. Science does not presuppose any conclusion and is effectively neutral any subject until logic, reason and experimentation point the way.
A creationist physicist (Score:3, Interesting)
Here's an article on Earth's magnetic field [icr.org] which appears to say different stuff to the link referenced above. "Dr. Humphreys is an ICR Adjunct Professor of Physics and a physicist at Sandia National Laboratories, Albuquergue, New Mexico. The Lab
Mortality (Score:2)
He visited his doc because he felt a bit under the weather, and was told "Well, you had gonnorhea..." - his body had already flushed the disease, and the symptoms were it recovering from the effort.
Re:A creationist physicist (Score:2)
I think I'd put some faith in that assertion... (Score:2)
Mercury should prove [quinion.com] (or else support) his reasoning. We may get some answers there as early as October 2007 [jhuapl.edu].
Re:I think I'd put some faith in that assertion... (Score:1)
"if Humphreys hadn't actually burned two across the plate already"
Well; let's see.. he constructed an arbitary model, used arbitary constants to make it fit real world data and then did an extrapolation with a couple of orders of magnitude of error.
That's not 'burning two across the plate', which would imply that he had a model grounded in reality. After all, if your model assumes that a planet suddenly popped into existance made of water(!), then suddenly transformed into a ball of rock/volatiles/hy
No assertion, I just read your links (Score:2)
1. The universe is ~6000 years old.
2. The planets and sun were initially created out of water.
3. Some portion* of those water molecules had their dipoles aligned causing the initial magnetic field.
4. At some point, God transmuted the water into whatever complex mix of elements/compounds that sun or planet now has.
5. God left the inital magnetic field due to those water molecules intact after transmuting them.
6.
In Soviet Russia... (Score:4, Funny)
Ummm... (Score:4, Interesting)
That can lead to significant but temporary losses of atmospheric ozone, he said.
Ozone Holes??
Not weakened 10%! (Score:5, Informative)
rare? maybe, but (Score:3, Insightful)
but overdue. these aren't governed by random chance like gambling; there _is_ a cycle
Re:rare? maybe, but (Score:5, Interesting)
The mechanism behind magnetic field reversals is poorly understood. I haven't seen any statistical analysis, but I would be interested to know if magnetic field reversals can best be modeled as periodic or as random, with some sort of variation about an expected value. It may be more accurate to say that the probablility of a reversal in any given year is increasing, rather than saying we are "overdue". Or maybe that is just splitting hairs.
Re:rare? maybe, but (Score:1)
I don't see the difference between the two phrasings, personally... that's what "overdue" means to me when referring to a natural event. the statement that just because it's rare means it's unlikely implies that there's a fixed probability of it happening on any given day.
Re:rare? maybe, but (Score:2)
Not really, it's pretty chaotic. I took a first-year Earth Sciences course at my university, there were charts of pole reversals over time. Sometimes they happen quite frequently, sometimes it takes bloody forever.
Re:rare? maybe, but (Score:2)
can we fake one (Score:3, Interesting)
IANAP but would it be possible to place a giant electromagnet at L1 and have it deflect incoming Solar wind and particles?
It would probably have to be very powerful and possibly large (nuclear powered, 100 KM long) but would that work?
Why should we care? (Score:2, Informative)
Second, much of our electronic communications would be interrupted without this protection. For more information see this FAQ [phy6.org]
Re:Why should we care? (Score:2)
Sunblock wouldn't help much against high energy protons, electrons and alpha particles. UV light isn't deflected by magnetic field.
OTOH, I don;t think anyone expects the mag field to disappear - just move.
Re:Why should we care? (Score:5, Informative)
Didn't we already discuss this ? (Score:4, Informative)
So, all the discussions about end-of-the-world, and creating our own magnetic field are already available there.
J.
There was a great Nova about this (Score:5, Informative)
Take a look at the website [pbs.org]. It has a great video of a simulated flip [pbs.org]. Scary stuff.
Re:There was a great Nova about this (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:There was a great Nova about this (Score:1)
The whole 10% decrease thingy bugs me. It looks like a complicated oscillation. Yes, today's level it 10% less than 30 years ago, but higher than it was a couple of hundred years ago. So what?
Paleomagnetism is Real. (Score:5, Insightful)
I, too, agree with those who have cited the period nature of these types of events.
The scientific tracking of this phenomenon - within the bounds of a burgeoning field called paleomegnetism [google.com] - has shown that such events have been seen already.
If I remember correctly, the seafloor around the Mid-Altantic Ridge shows local magnetic field lines (embedded in rock) that exhibit directional reversal on a regular basis. The regular, gradual creation of new seafloor on both sides of this band of spreading magma locks in the direction of Earth's general magnetic field at the time of formation - showing, some think, that these occurrences are regular and repeatable.
And yes, we're definitely overdue. But, we're also overdue for a planet-killing asteroid impact, so I guess there's nothing to worry about. What's a little field instability among friends?
It should be noted, however, that there is some notion that periods during which magnetic shielding is lost probably does wonders for increasing evolutionary branching. Think of all the natural selection that gets done under such extreme environmental pressure...
Sorry for the ramble. IANAP, by the way, but IAAPT (teacher).
Re:Paleomagnetism is Real. (Score:1)
Coffee in my keyboard, heh.
My compass collection... (Score:5, Funny)
all hands abandon convention! (Score:1, Interesting)
for example, you care really badly which way compasses point, or more generally you care a lot about the polarity of magnetic fields staying how they are.
oh, really? well, do you care much at all about which way around the toilet your water swirls as it goes down the drain? of course you don't -- and it's a good thing
Re:all hands abandon convention! (Score:4, Informative)
Um, no [snopes.com].
Pointless estimation? (Score:5, Interesting)
As I recall from the Nova program, a field reversal was essentially caught in the act by a single layer of lava. The interior of the lava flow had frozen in it a magnetic field 6 degrees different from the field frozen in the top and bottom of the flow, which cool faster due to contact with the atmosphere and the ground. This happened in a short period of time (days or weeks?). So saying "at that rate of decline" is pointless, as the rate of change would probably increase during a reversal. To illustrate, I'd like to point out that the north magnetic pole has been migrating further north [nrcan.gc.ca] at an accelerating pace. Although the link's text claims the acceleration occurred around 1970, their map shows it started sometime between 1904 and 1948, with perhaps a brief deceleration in the '60s.
And the sun is becoming more active at the same time. Things could get quite interesting on our little planet.
Curious (Score:5, Funny)
I think the documentary was called 'The Middle', 'The Core', 'The Deep'... something like that.
Panic or not? (Score:2)
Re:Panic or not? (Score:2)
AL GORE + KYOTO PROTOCOL === SAVE THE MAG FIELD (Score:3, Funny)
The Republicans are robbing us of our magnetic field!!!!!!!
Finally! (Score:5, Funny)
At last, Australia will be on top of the world again!!
Why should we worry? (Score:1, Funny)
Nah, wishfull thinking...
Geeks already reign supreme... (Score:1)
<DrEvil>MUHAHA... MUHAHAHA... MUHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!</DrEvil>
Yeah, uh (Score:1)
"the field could vanish altogether in 1,500 to 2,000 years"
I'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
Funny Predictions with Missing Variables (Score:1)
I just excreted .25 kg (just a wild guess; rounding to a fourth) into the toilet in the last 5 minutes, i.e., my body mass has decreased .15% over the past 5 minutes. At that rate of loss, my body could vanish altogether in 25 hours!
(I may not have done the math right (it's almost 4am), but you get the point.)
Big animals? (Score:2)
could this be the reason (Score:1)
could it also be the reason for Ozone Holes and higher cancer rates?
Where is Hillary Swank when we need her? (Score:1)
polar shift (Score:2)
Field, shmield. See? I can rhyme! (Score:1, Interesting)
IAAP. If we assume the Earth had no magnetosphere, and the soloar wind was not being routed to the poles, then the Earth would essentially be a very massive comet.
Solar wind has a lot of linear momentum (the proton density is small, but protons have lots of mass). Momentum is a