Paper Capable Of Playing Videos Developed 332
Makarand writes "Nature has posted an article describing paper capable of displaying video using rearrangeable electronic ink, being produced by Philips Research Labs (in the Netherlands). The paper-display draws
power from a lightweight battery, and displays data stored in a portable chip. The display consists of pixels containing a drop of colored ink that can spread over a reflective white background under electrical control to create colors. With fast switching times and lower switching voltages, these paper-displays are capable of displaying video images."
It's a porno AND a tissue. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:It's a porno AND a tissue. (Score:2, Funny)
Filter:It's a porno AND a tissue? (Score:3, Informative)
With the quality of certain top posts on Slashdot, you really start to wonder what the general mentality is around here... Taco, we need better filters.
There *are* better filters: Preferences, Comments, Scroll down to Reason Modifiers, -6 for "Funny", Scroll down to Save. No more funny jokes.
Personally, I like to laugh once in a while.
Re:It's a porno AND a tissue. (Score:5, Insightful)
This part is +1 insightful, rest looks like a typical flamebait. Note most nerds ARE sex-starved, funny goofballs - and this is their site with their news and their style comments! If you don't like that, move elsewhere, there are many science news sites on the web. The fact that slashdot is not as classy as YOU would like it, doesn't mean it needs to be changed. It means that YOU need to look for a more classy place.
And hell, somebody mod me offtopic or flamebait and I'll get really pissed off!
Cast Your Mind Back A Few Years (Score:2)
Marketing madness! (Score:5, Interesting)
I wonder if the advent of multimedia paper, as it were, will create a sea-change in the nature of all types of advertising.
As it stands now, most every box/can/available-surface of products is in some way branded advertising for the product, like, your coke can says, naturally, "Coca-Cola". This advertising must translate into some approximately-calculable value for the Coca-Cola company, in terms of more coke sales.
But... is there an inflection point at which an ad for something else (say, Porsche cars) would be more valuable than the advertisement for coke? If so, might companies sell space on all manner of products wrapped in this multimedia-paper like banner ads?
It might be interesting to open my refrigerator and see a few-dozen multimedia presentations on various consumer goods, changing every morning, but... well, maybe a final trip in that Porsche to some Amish community might be more sanity-preserving.
Re:Marketing madness! (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Marketing madness! (Score:2)
Re:Marketing madness! (Score:5, Interesting)
If annoying animation gets out of hand, a few seconds in a microwave oven will probably fix the problem. ;-)
--
Simon
Re:Marketing madness! (Score:2)
No porn wheaties for you!
Re:Marketing madness! (Score:2)
Nah ... it'll be double-ROT-13 encrypted ... so merely looking at it will encompass a violation.
Re:Marketing madness! (Score:4, Insightful)
You know it's coming...
But seriously, when? I saw this stuff being touted by Xerox 5 or 7 years ago at EPCOT. They tried to impress so much with the little props and videos, only to try to gloss over the distinct LACK of Epaper on site. No true demo...
Re:Marketing madness! (Score:2, Insightful)
A) it needs power
and B) its easy to damage.
As far as food products like soda are concerned I would think it might be taboo to package a product that holds a charge.
Also, the way stores ship, store, and bundle all the bulk they buy would run down the batteries (or if its got some sweet solar array keep it out of the light) and probably damage the display. Magnets are probably used in much of the equipment used or kept around bundles of products while in
Re:Marketing madness! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Marketing madness! (Score:2)
Impressive. Now, when does it ship? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Impressive. Now, when does it ship? (Score:5, Insightful)
Every single new technology article covered gets someone saying "that's all well and good but they've been saying this for years. speak to me when i can buy one.".
Take the article for what it's worth. It's not a sales brochure or an investment prospectus, it's a science/tech piece.
Re:Impressive. Now, when does it ship? (Score:2)
Re:Impressive. Now, when does it ship? (Score:2, Insightful)
BBC News story... (Score:5, Informative)
They're already up to 80 Hz refresh (12-13 ms respnose times). That's pretty damn impressive for a technology that's still in the basic R&D stage, and it augurs well for the future.
Re:BBC News story... (Score:4, Informative)
Power Usage (Score:4, Insightful)
While it didn't say so in the paper, it appears that this new technology requires continous voltage to be applied to keep the ink from spreading out acrossed the full surface of the pixel. So this paper would likely use more power than the particle approach, and would be pure black when no power was applied, basically functionally equivalent to LCD's today. I wonder how the power consumption / price of this device will compare to LCD's once they are being mass produced. Regardless, it would be worth it to have a laptop that was easily readable outside.
Re:BBC News story... (Score:2)
The Daily Prophet (Score:5, Funny)
But how do you get color? (Score:5, Informative)
There may be some magical solution to this, but it looks to me as if color is very, very much more difficult than mono.
Re:But how do you get color? (Score:4, Insightful)
This is partially true as I understand it. When the ink is layed down the screens for the four colors (cyan, magenta, yellow and black) are not aligned perfectly. They are offset so many degrees apart and a printer could tell you the optimum settings to avoid moire patterns. Perhaps this could have something to do with it.
Re:But how do you get color? (Score:2)
I may have no clue what I'm talking about, but my impression was that they plan to get the dots really small, to the point where the eye can't distinguish them as individual points--then your eye just takes the average and gets whatever color was intended. They said something similar in the article with respect to getting clean shades of grey.
If you think about it, even regular ink works the same way--whatever size it is, if you have a dot of ink on the paper then it's going to obscure whatever's below i
Re:But how do you get color? (Score:5, Informative)
You are right that, if the dots are really small, the eye will average them out. This is, actually, how screen printing works: there are actually rows of dots in shaded areas. However, they are of the order of 30 times smaller than pixels on even the best screen, so it takes quite a powerfule glass to see them.
What the article doesn't say, but the picture does, is that Cyan+Magenta+Yellow, which should theoretically produce black, actually produces a durty purplish brown. So you need some real black to get a good rendition. Each pixel will have to have four cells.
Grandparent is correct. Because the cells are spatially separate, 100% red will actually only have 25% of the the background red, the rest remaining white. So I would expect a colour display, while having good readability, to be rather flat an uninteresting. The B/W display should be very good. Because it is reflective not emissive technology, it should have excellent readabilty and low poer consumption (but not the zero power consumption of the e-Ink in
Re:But how do you get color? (Score:2)
With lots of small dots (Score:2)
If you can vary the intensity of size of the cells, you can get lots of colors other than gray. I have a fairly high-end inkjet CMYK printer that produces great prints. (It's an Epson 2200, fwiw.) To the naked eye, colored areas look, um, colored. But if you look at a print with a loupe (even my relatively cheap 4x one) you can see zillions
Re:But how do you get color? (Score:5, Informative)
I worked in a pre-press shop for a couple of years, so I've worked with printing on a very low level. The color dots don't need to be directly stacked on one another to achieve a certain color. In fact each color is printed at a seperate angle so the dots are rarely directly on top of one another
Take a magnifying glass to your sunday comics and you can see that the black dots are at one angle (usually straight up and down) and each other color is rotated slightly. Even at relatively large dot sizes (72 dpi) the dots seem to merge together to form whatever color they're looking for.
Since the dots are arranged in groups of four in this paper you could achieve the same result, except it may look a bit more like a computer image (made up of distinct pixels in a grid) as opposed to a magazine picture (pixels for each color are rotated). It also sounds like they can make the dots whatever size they want, which is how it is done in printing:
The larger the applied voltage, the more the ink retracts. The ink is therefore capable of a continuous grey scale, not just of a two-tone contrast.
And even if the dots were stacked directly on top of each other it would still work. The ink is spread so thin that it's transparent, that's why yellow on top of magenta shows as red. So if they could stack it somehow it would show correctly (assuming the ink they use is like regular ink in that way).
Re:But how do you get color? (Score:2, Informative)
Here's an image showing a close-up of a CMYK image. [rit.edu]
(And if I remember correctly black is actually printed at 45 degrees, not straight up and down like I said)
Re:But how do you get color? (Score:3, Informative)
My point is: if you look closely at those paintings, the dots aren't superimposed. They are side by side. And they are quite big: the size of small brushes... So it *does* work.
Re:But how do you get color? (Score:2)
Re:But how do you get color? (Score:2)
Use time? (Score:2)
If halftoning and similar techniques are impossible, you could alternate colours with appropriate duty cycles for the shade?
Hey, this is the kind of obvious solution which warrants an unnecssary patent!
Re:But how do you get color? (Score:2)
I forsee problems with this technology. (Score:2)
I'd hate to come home and find my Toshiba notebook was turned into Little Billy's coloring book.
Excellent (Score:4, Insightful)
I welcome our new e-paper overloads... (Score:2, Funny)
When is it enough? How much can our wee little monkey brains take? I'm guessing that the 'eXtREEEM' of the future will be advertising that may k
Re:I welcome our new e-paper overloads... (Score:2)
Get serious. I mean, sure, that'll start to happen. But soon people will be so fed up with it that even the thick-skulled advertising industry types will realize that they've gone too far. And then this kind of advertising overkill will go the way of spam and popups.
Oh, wait........
Re:I welcome our new e-paper overloads... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I welcome our new e-paper overloads... (Score:5, Interesting)
You can blame better diagnosis (or misdiagnosis) if you want, but really I'm not sure the typical human is really meant to be as smart as society now days expects it to be. A natural human living off of the land really needs to know nothing more than how to make a spear, run from big beasts, and keep out of the rain.
Technology (be it tending crops or inventing holodecks for wild endless regret-free sexual encounters), builds on technology. Each generation has tools and knowledge that previous generations didn't have. At what point will it reach a level where few people can cope? Even now days most poeple haven't got a clue what's going on inside a computer. Most people haven't got any idea how a telephone, automobile, or television works.
How many times have you heard someone say "I don't need that many features on my TV/VCR/Microwave/etc"?
Some people evolve with the times, others just learn to cope, but more and more I think we're going to see people who simply can't hack it all. As more and more people become unable to deal with it, I can honestly see us finding a name for whatever disorder they supposedly have, fiding some medication for it, and then sending them on along their way.
We'll think they're slow, or stupid, or have no common sense, but in reality, these people could probably make a spear and hide in a cave as well (maybe even better) than the other overly cereberal upright hairless apes.
Re:I welcome our new e-paper overloads... (Score:2)
Oh, puhleeze. People who live in the rainforest in huts have incredibly sophisticated knowledge about that environment, much of it codified in oblique narratives and ritual. A good way to think of that kind of awareness is "pattern-literate." It is a complex system of knowledge that interweaves culture and ecology.
I'd like to watch a reality show where you and
Re:I welcome our new e-paper overloads... (Score:3, Interesting)
Most of us are so used to all the things
Re:I welcome our new e-paper overloads... (Score:2)
Most of us are so used to all the things we need to know by now but many people out there, my parents for example, are afraid of ATM machines, TiVo, computers, cell phones, fax machines, digital answering machines, call waiting, cd players, DVD players...
Or maybe they just honestly have no need for all that crap?
My great grandmother used her microwave as a bread box. She lived just nigh a 100 years just fine that way, and seemed quite joyful for most of those years, too.
Peace be with you,
-jimbo
RE: "the compentency line" (Score:2)
The grandparents who are "afraid of the ATM machine" and can't master the VCR have already spent many years on this planet learning and mastering other things. Retirement should be somewhat of an escape from all the work and learning one has to do throughout their life. Fact is, they're not going to be on this planet that much longer - and their decisions to a
Re:I welcome our new e-paper overloads... (Score:2)
embrace the schism.
the rocket for venus will be leaving shortly.
don't get on it.
Re:What is "smart"? (Score:2)
I think more than anything, the most important thing to do is to escape the strangulation of American popular culture. I make a distinction between "culture" and "popular culture", because American culture is incredibly rich and rewarding (Aaron Copland, George Gerswhin, Mark Twain, Erne
Re:What is "smart"? (Score:2)
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Re:What is "smart"? (Score:2)
I make a distinction between "culture" and "popular culture", because American culture is incredibly rich and rewarding (Aaron Copland, George Gerswhin, Mark Twain, Ernest Hemingway, and to a lesser degree, Lovecraft, King, on and on)
Don't forget Lee and Kirby! :)
Peace be with you,
-jimbo
Not e-books, perhaps, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
I'll still take real dead trees over electronic paper for my leisure reading, I think, but how about the opposite application: writing? "Print" a document to the paper, mark it up in a meeting, and have the changes all saved without having to go back and mark it up again on your PC. Alternatively, take the paper to your favorite country getaway, write up a story, and (assuming your handwriting is decently legible) have it automatically OCR'd into text for later editing, without needing to lug a laptop around and all the associated annoyances.
I dunno, sounds good to me . . .
Re:Not e-books, perhaps, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
With a touchscreen-enabled piece of electronic paper writing shouldn't pose a problem. Combined with advanced text recognition it might even be superior to regular prints, as the document could be updated on the fly.
Re:Not e-books, perhaps, but... (Score:4, Interesting)
Xerox has been there, done that:
"Through a chemical process that Xerox is holding as a trade secret, "each ball is given an electric charge, with more on one side than on the other," Sheridon explains. So when an electric field is applied to the surface of the sheet, the balls are lifted in their oil-filled cells, rotated like the needles of tiny compasses to point either their black or their white hemispheres eyeward, and then slammed against the far wall of the cell. There they stick, holding the image, until they are dislodged by another field. At high voltages, the balls stick before completing their rotation, thus producing various shades of gray. Sheridon's group has also produced red-and-white displays and is working on combining balls of various hues to produce full-color ones.
(...)
But the real goal, Sheridon says, is also the most distant: an electronic surrogate for paper. Engineer Matt Howard hands me a wooden pencil that is plugged into a weak power supply. As I write on the sheet, the tiny electric field conducted through the pencil's graphite core darkens the screen wherever the tip touches. Howard is working on a handheld wand that will receive text and images from a computer and scan them onto a Gyricon page, which would then be annotated, photocopied, erased--but not discarded."
Copy of the Scientific American article is here [deusto.es] , but you may find other references.
does anyone else here feel old? (Score:5, Insightful)
did you think to yourself "good gosh, what archaic times" when you saw them? we probably all did
and then i see news like this, and know how people like us, who grew up with crt screens and space heater-looking computer cases with noisy fans in the back, will be seen as archaic some day
Magazines will never be the same. (Score:4, Funny)
Tired of the bored centerfolds that just sit there?
It's a big step, but... (Score:2)
A computer the size of matchbox, or something similar. Some pretty, neat shape. One button. Upon pressing, a holographic image of the keyboard and display are created. Follow as with normal computer
Diamond Age, anyone? (Score:2)
Animation on paper? Try LSD-25 (Score:3, Funny)
Shit, we've had all we need to watch the drawings on our paper move around since 1938!
Turn on, tune in, drop out!
When can I paint my Yugo with this? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:When can I paint my Yugo with this? (Score:4, Funny)
Rant about calling it "Paper" (Score:2)
These are displays, ultra thin, ultra flat, paperlike. However I suspect that the wood (more accurately cellulose?) content is minimal, and that it does not absorb water, cannot be written on with washable ink or pencils, and cannot be torn easily.
Surely someone can come up with something better than "electronic paper" anyway. People these buzzwords are designed for (those who don't understand, somehow, and have to have things dumbed down) end up just getting
A one page book? (Score:2, Interesting)
Often time I like the tactile feedback of holding a book in my hands. I like that it doesn't make a noise unless I ruffled the pages, no humming fan or whining battery...but, I don't lik
Re:A one page book? (Score:2)
But one-page hard cover book, that wouldn't be so bad
Re:A one page book? (Score:2)
Do you ever have more than one application/window open? Ever want to be able to see them side-by-side or switch back and forth easily and intuitively?
Overclocking... (Score:5, Funny)
Voila! (Score:5, Interesting)
Licensing of books (Score:2)
They already have those (Score:3, Funny)
a detailed paper (no pun!) (Score:2, Informative)
See how the 'shape' of the pixel can determine where the ink goes when voltage is applied. hmm interesting!
*YAWN* Wake me when it ships (Score:2)
I realize that digital paper isn't a total hoax, but it sure feels like one.
It seems as though the last-mile technical barriers must be really high. Maybe they're having trouble making these things last or making them in quantity?
The electronic office (Score:2)
Digital Ink?! In my day... (Score:2)
I prefer Magink (Score:4, Informative)
It's also full-color, but it's static so it only draws power when changing the image, it has a refresh rate of up to 70hz (plenty for displays) and it's not backlit (making it behave just like current paper, and again, draws -0- power when not changing the image).
It sounds like the way to go imo. backlighting may be a required feature for TVs (cultural emphasis on watching movies in the dark) - but for laptops/pdas/cellphones/handheld gaming/etc - it'd easily be a killer tech. yeah, you'd have to have some sort of a front-light (like the new light on the GBA SP) for Eg. dialing in the dark, using your laptop on a plane, etc.
But having the light only when you need it will save ridiculous quantities of battery power. Imagine your gadget battery lasting 2-3x as long.
Good stuff.
article [signindustry.com]
Closeups of the blue eBook? (Score:2)
The Really Bad Thing Is... (Score:2)
PopSci (Score:2)
Name determination in action... (Score:2)
Slightly interesting fact: fenestra is latin for Window.
Feenstra could conceivably be a nederlandisation of fenestra.
And this technology might be used as computer displays for popular graphical user interfaces?
The guy was destined to do this!
Cheers,
Nick.
OB Patent dig: Patents to file (Score:2)
Now that we have this entirely new medium, I'm going to patent the following novel inventions:
What about white? (Score:2)
What I wonder, though, is how well this "paper" could show a completely white image on some or all of its surface. With the ink still there, I would imagine it would not be a
"Great" frequency? (Score:5, Interesting)
The frequency would be great, would hurt your eyes after a couple minutes I would guess...
I guess that depends on what you mean by a "great" frequency. In Europe, television has a frequency of 50Hz (it's 60Hz in the US) - even if I've heard that two and two frames are alike, in other words that the frequency is 25 or 30Hz. Movies in theaters are usually run at 24 frames per second, in other words a frequency of 24Hz.
There is no real need to have frequencies running much higher than that to watch a movie - since a frequency of 72Hz would just mean that the same picture would be drawn three times over, and thats a waste on a device like this.
In addition, there might not make much sence in talking about frequeny at all on a device like this; if they want to save on power, they only alter the state of the pixels that actually changes between each frame.
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:2)
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:3, Insightful)
This neglects that it takes power to simply maintain the image. As the article states, it's an application of voltage that controls the size of the inkdot pixel. The energy usage is only zero when displaying a completely black image.
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, movies are run at twice that, i.e. in order to reduce the flickering each frame is projected twice. And 48Hz is just barely acceptable for straight on viewing. You'll see the flicker clearly out of the corner of your eye.
So, they actually need more than that, 72Hz is actually about right for something that you're sitting close to (such as a computer screen).
There's a lot of info [tvtechnology.com] on the net if you want to dig deeper.
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:3, Informative)
Got any references to back that up? Everything I've ever seen says movie projectors run at 24 fps (see HowStuffWorks for example [howstuffworks.com]). A movie projector doesn't refresh an image like a CRT - the light source is always on, displaying whatever is on the film in front of it. So you
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:3, Informative)
Sure, see for example the explanation [screensound.gov.au] from the Australian film commision. But really searching for '48 fps' and 'projector' will get you tons of hits (though granted many will be about proposed improvements to the current system). Also my original post had a link with the same info, albeit from a TV-guy's perspective.
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:2)
Uhmm, yeah. My post was more in response to the original parent, which had gotten most of TV/Movie display wrong on the point of refre
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:2)
Sure, I never really thought about that. For an 'animated' paper that shows cartoon style animation, a few fps is probably enough (depending on what the
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:5, Interesting)
TV has a field rate of 50/50 hz. Fields are alternately the odd and even lines of the picture, so the frame rate is 25/30 hz. The two fields are spatially slightly separated, so even on a still picture they are not the same; the second field gives you more information than the first. But if the original capture mechanism was a video camera, the two fields are captured at different times as well as different places, so it gives better motion display.
There is no real need to have frequencies running much higher than that to watch a movie - since a frequency of 72Hz would just mean that the same picture would be drawn three times over, and thats a waste on a device like this.
You are correct that film is at 24 hz. However, cinema projectors deliberatly flicker the light at 48 hz to give an impression of better movement. Once you get the trick of it, it is quite easy to spot 24-frame film material on TV, and it can become annoying.
50/60 hz field rate, and making a frame out of two fields, are both in fact economy measures. When TV was first invented, high rates were difficult and expensive, and there was a tradeoff between picture quality and cost. In fact, percieved movement quality increases up to frame rates in the low 70s of Hz - hence 80Hz being "as good as you will ever need".
A frame will be displayed 3 times at 72 hz only if it is sourced from a traditional film camers - a breed which is slowly dying out. All news cameras are now electronic, and Lucas is filming the Star Wars series electronically - othere will follow, slowly. Some of the new HDTV standards have 60 true frames, not 60 fields, per second.
As I say, existing TV standards are a compromise for the tradeoffs of an earlier day. We will eventially get newer standards, and hence better pictures. But once a set of standards are embedded in the comsumer marketplace, there is a massive lag in the adoption of new standards.
Re:"Great" frequency? (Score:2, Funny)
For example, a normal piece of paper has a refresh rate of 0, but doesn't hurt your eyes the way you're talking about.
Re:high tech? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:high tech? (Score:2)
=Smidge=
Re:high tech? (Score:2)
Re:Nothing more than paper Flash! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:guess what: (Score:5, Interesting)
Ads? What Ads?
Re:guess what: (Score:2)
Re:Demonstration movies - ZIP file torrent! (Score:2)
I see a flaw in the logic somewhere...
Singing cereal boxes (Score:2)
The video newspaper displays even echoes something that started in sci-fi. Wasn't that featured in that Tom Cruise film "Minority Report?"
Yup, and that's exactly what I was thinking when I saw this article. Except in Minority Report it was a box of cereal that started singing at him after he poured a bowl; it wouldn't stop, so he threw the damn thing across the room.
Yeah. More avenues for evil marketdroids to ply their wares with.
NUKE IT ALL, I SAY.