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The Rutan SpaceShipOne Revealed

Posted by michael on Fri Apr 18, 2003 01:40 PM
from the look-out-below dept.
smartalix writes "Burt Rutan's company, Scaled Composites, announced that they have been developing a commercial manned space program in secret for the past two years. The system consists of a carrier vehicle called the White Knight and a piggyback (actually underslung) orbital spaceplane called SpaceShipOne. My money is on this effort capturing the X Prize." Well, it's pretty, whatever it is. Space.com has a story with pictures for those of you who weren't quick enough to hit scaled.com before it melted.
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  • Beam me up SCOTTY! by B3ryllium (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @01:42PM
  • Whahhh? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Thud457 (234763) on Friday April 18 2003, @01:42PM (#5760936)
    (http://127.0.0.1:82/ | Last Journal: Monday September 26 2005, @01:53PM)
    "Mom, what is that duck doing to that other duck?!!"
    • Re:Whahhh? by TopShelf (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @01:57PM
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  • Hmm by bravehamster (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @01:44PM
    • Mirror... by cmorriss (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @02:24PM
    • Re:Hmm by mr_compsci (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @03:24PM
      • Re:Hmm by mr_compsci (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:29PM
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  • mirrors? by tadheckaman (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @01:44PM
    • Re:mirrors? by EinarH (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @01:51PM
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  • Watch out for the patents (Score:3, Funny)

    by menasius (202515) on Friday April 18 2003, @01:44PM (#5760959)
    This just in. The government is sueing after patenting using "One" after vehicles, thus meaning SpaceShipOne is reserved for the President.

    -bort
  • Mirrors? by lommer (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @01:45PM
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  • In space... (Score:5, Funny)

    by American AC in Paris (230456) on Friday April 18 2003, @01:46PM (#5760977)
    (http://www.snowplow.org/tom/)
    ...nobody can hear your webserver scream.
  • ...it's a stealth plane. Forget radar invisible, we can't even SEE this puppy.

    Damn, Burt Rutan is a genius.....

  • In Secret? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ItWasThem (458689) on Friday April 18 2003, @01:49PM (#5760997)
    What surprises me is that they went for 2 years developing this project "in secret"... why would they want to do that? It's neat to see that they've already done some rocket testing and all, but why announce now after two years when they don't even have a full scale version done? What did they get by waiting to announce?

    I could understand the secrecy if they wanted to develop the whole thing first to avoid the vaporware critiques, and then bam they come out with a ready-to-use orbiter, man that'd be sweet huh? But why announce in the middle of it? Need funding? Sick of keeping it quiet? Poor planning? Any ideas?
    • Re:In Secret? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by foolish (46697) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:03PM (#5761112)
      Did you miss the fact these ARE full scale?

      Essentially Rutan is going 'Look at what I built, we're going to launch this for the X-Prize and none of you can HOPE to catch up'

      The only things they have left are flight tests with the rocket suite. The White Knight is working and has flown some test flights... It's the SS1 that need some flight time before the X-Prize attempt.

      It'll be interesting to see what XCor does in response to this.
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      • Re:In Secret? by Mac Degger (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @02:53PM
        • FYI by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @03:36PM
        • Re:In Secret? by Just Another Perl Ha (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @07:13PM
      • Return Ticket by IPFreely (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @03:06PM
      • Re:In Secret? by Rubyflame (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @11:07PM
    • Re:In Secret? by WegianWarrior (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @02:11PM
    • Nothing unique in the design. by zymano (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:13PM
    • Re:In Secret? by peacefinder (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @02:17PM
    • Re:In Secret? by Chairboy (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:28PM
    • Re:In Secret? (Score:5, Insightful)

      You didn't even make a cursory inspection of the article, did you? Neither did your bone-head mods.

      The man said that this was "flight hardware". That means it's the actual vehicle that is going to do the mission.

      He said he wasn't soliciting money.

      It's still undergoing flight tests, but they're full-up hardware in the loop tests. Rutan is not going to make an X-Prize attempt before he's actually done it successfully more than once outside the scrutiny of the public (and the judges).

      It's a PR stunt, yes...but for somebody who actually knows something about things that go up in the air (that'd be me) it's pretty fucking impressive.
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      • Re:In Secret? by ryanwright (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @05:44PM
    • Re:In Secret? by teslatug (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @07:46PM
    • Re:In Secret? by netringer (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @09:40PM
    • Re:In Secret? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday April 19 2003, @12:14AM
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  • A rutan? Dr Who was real! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Jim Hall (2985) on Friday April 18 2003, @01:49PM (#5761000)
    (http://www.freedos.org/jhall/)

    Aha! Finally, it is revealed that the rutan landing at Fang Rock [bbc.co.uk], from Dr Who [bbc.co.uk], was in fact real event! The truth can come out.

  • The design shows some imagination (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MyNameIsFred (543994) on Friday April 18 2003, @01:51PM (#5761014)
    The thing I like about Rutan designs is that they show some imagination. They don't look like everybody elses design. And this spacecraft design is no different. It reminds me of those futuristic designs in magazines of the 40s and 50s. Very off the wall.
    • Re:The design shows some imagination (Score:4, Interesting)

      by silentbozo (542534) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:16PM (#5761216)
      (Last Journal: Sunday April 17 2005, @07:20PM)
      True, there's a retro-future feeling that combines the organic styling of the present with the rocket designs of the late 50's and 60's. Ironic that a basic design first proposed by private enterprise for the government (a manned booster/spaceplane competitor/forerunner of the US shuttle system), needed to wait for half a century before it could be built - not by government, but by private enterprise.

      Tom Swift would no doubt be proud of the resumption of US (and other world) efforts to open up space to everyman.
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    • Rutan history by nuntius (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @02:49PM
      • Re:Rutan history by covertlaw (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @03:23PM
      • Re:Rutan history by pVoid (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:34PM
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      • Re:Rutan history (Score:4, Insightful)

        Hold on there, skippy.

        Overpriced comes from poor cost control, not poor design.

        Noisy slow fuel hog comes from poor engine design and selection.

        The Starship was a great design that turned into a mediocre aircraft. Burt Rutan has a long history of brilliant, successful aircraft designs.
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        • Re:Rutan history by nuntius (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @04:15PM
          • Re:Rutan history by Moofie (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @04:29PM
            • Re:Rutan history by Vellmont (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @04:50PM
              • Re:Rutan history (Score:4, Insightful)

                Canard aircraft are, in principle, more efficient than conventional aircraft.

                In a conventional layout, the horizontal tail generates lift in the downward direction, to balance the center of gravity, which for stability reasons is located ahead of the lift vector of the main wing. Therefore, the main wing must generate enough lift to carry the aircraft, and enough lift to offset the downward force from the tail. This extra lift also creates extra induced drag. (Any time you create lift, you also create drag. No getting around it.)

                Since the canard locates lifting surfaces at either end of the airplane, with the CG in the middle, both surfaces can generate lift in the upward direction. Less lift overall is required.

                Properly designed canard aircraft are also extremely resistant to stalling. Since the canard is typically shorter in chord than the main wing, it will stall first and bring the nose of the airplane down.

                Rutan has built two aircraft that have been resounding public successes (the Vari-EX homebuilt and its derivatives and the Voyager), and numerous military prototypes. Just for fun, he designed his personal aircraft (the Boomerang) to be completely asymmetrical.

                The thing that I love about aero. engineering is that aircraft that are properly designed also, by virtue of the laws of nature that drive their shape, have an aesthetic sensibility to them. So, in that sense, it IS about the thing being pretty. Obviously, there's more to it than that, but there is a fundamental aesthetic to good aerodynamic design.

                Rutan also has a history of extreme lateral thinking when solving aerodynamic problems. Unlike most designers, he throws the history book out the window when he builds a new airplane, and he often comes up with insightful and clever new layouts in the process.

                The Pond Racer was another favorite of mine, but its engines were problematic. Unfortunately, it crashed in 1993, killing its pilot. Air racing is dangerous.
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          • Re:Rutan history - seems you have it backwards by mamahuhu (Score:1) Saturday April 19 2003, @11:49PM
      • Re:Rutan history by trollabyte (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @04:48PM
      • Re:Rutan history by PD (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @05:09PM
      • Re:Rutan history by rwise2112 (Score:1) Saturday April 19 2003, @05:31PM
    • by MtViewGuy (197597) on Friday April 18 2003, @03:43PM (#5761826)
      Actually, Rutan's concept with SpaceShipOne uses a lot of the technology pioneered first in the UK but perfected in Germany for one large airplane carrying only a slightly smaller plane and launching the smaller airplane once the larger plane needs to return to base. (Note: this idea is much more complicated than a large bomber dropping a small plane like what the US did with its X-plane launches from modified B-29's and B-52's.)

      Late in World War II, the Junkers company built a number of specially-modified Ju 88 bombers that had a large explosive warhead fitted in place of the four-man cockpit. Junkers fitted special brace mounts on top of this modified Ju 88 so accommodated a small fighter like an Me 109G or Fw 190A series fighter airplane. The whole composite flying unit (called Mistel) was guided by the pilot in the fighter until near the final dive into the target, where the fighter separated from the Ju 88 to escape while the bomber flew straight into the target. Mistel was used late in World War II, though its success was marginal at best.

      Very late in World War II, engineers at Daimler-Benz took the idea of Mistel to the next level with their A composite flying machine project proposal. It was essentially a large jet-powered airplane with relatively tall fixed undercarriage that had a smaller jet powered bomber slung underneath. This allowed the smaller bomber to fly much further than possible, since the smaller bomber didn't need to consume fuel on the way to the target.

      Essentially, the Rutan SpaceShipOne unveiled today uses the same technological ideas pioneered on the Daimler-Benz A project, but with modern aerospace materials and engines the whole composite flying unit is vastly lighter than the German project.

      Just FYI. =)
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  • ....what the hell..... by HaloZero (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @01:52PM
  • here's an idea. by phil-is-math (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @01:53PM
  • Picture of SpaceShipOne (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 18 2003, @01:57PM (#5761065)
    Only one measly picture, but better than nothing for the impatient..

    http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=80 5
  • Distinguished Names by humpTdance (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @01:58PM
  • google mirror by I'm A Librarian (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:05PM
  • Dyna Soar Projects (Score:3, Informative)

    It looks like the re-entry orbital vehicle borrowed heavily from the NASA program on rentry. Cool to see another application of the technology!
  • Burt Rutan and "Kelly" Johnson by peacefinder (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @02:08PM
  • Fuel (Score:5, Funny)

    by effer (155937) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:09PM (#5761161)
    "SpaceShipOne officials are reviewing use of hybrid rocket propulsion system provided by SpaceDev of Poway, California. Hybrid propulsion uses Nitrous Oxide -- also dubbed Laughing Gas -- and HTPB (tire rubber)."

    Laughing gas, tire rubber, and flames! A recipe for hilinks!!
    • Re:Fuel (Score:5, Informative)

      by carambola5 (456983) on Friday April 18 2003, @05:11PM (#5762378)
      Actually, I just gave a demonstration on a hybrid rocket last week at my university... make that multiple demonstrations.

      It's very interesting that they actually used tire rubber for the following reason:
      While explaining the rocket to everyone, I mentioned that our particular rocket uses acrylic as the fuel because it looks cool (ie: transparent) and that in industry, they would use something similar to tire rubber. Not really surprised it was used here... it's just cool that we were dead on.

      Nitrous Oxide... that's interesting. We used pure oxygen. Wonder what kind of extra boost the Nitrous gives you.

      On to some more pertinent information:
      Hybrid rockets are hybrid because they use a fluid oxydizer and a solid fuel.

      With a solid rocket engine (both components solid), you can't stop the thing. Once you light it, it'll burn til it runs out of its fuel/oxydizer mix. Whereas with a fluid (aka: liquid) rocket, you can shut it off. Unfortunately, you also have a lot of moving parts.... which are bad.

      A hybrid rocket is the best of both worlds. You can shut it off, but it has half as many moving parts as a fluid rocket.

      Cool stuff. Though I think their version can outpower our whimpy 8 lbs. thrust engine.
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      • Mod parent up! by evenprime (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @07:14PM
      • Re:Fuel by Gojira Shipi-Taro (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @07:49PM
        • Re:Fuel (Score:4, Informative)

          by Muhammar (659468) on Friday April 18 2003, @11:54PM (#5763803)
          N2O is great deal less effective than LOX: by factor 2-3. But if you subtract the complication with cold-resistant turbopumps handling LOX or high pressure cylinder storing non-cryogenic oxygen, N2O may come out just fine. Higher oxides, namely NO2
          would be more effective (they have been used in Titan rockets), but the high toxicity/corrosivity of these is serious trouble.

          The most thrust/weight ratio could be obtained with ozone/oxygen mix (which is spectacularily nasty and explosive), then the next best oxidant is oxygen difluoride. (Another nasty boy, potentialy useful as chemical warfare agent)
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      • Re:Fuel by Muhammar (Score:2) Saturday April 19 2003, @11:23AM
        • Re:Fuel by Judebert (Score:1) Wednesday April 23 2003, @04:39PM
    • Re:Fuel by nelziq (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @05:36PM
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  • Ugly, ugly!!! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:10PM
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  • Sounds like reincarnated idea. I like the ENGINE! by zymano (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:10PM
  • Re-entry by buddhaunderthetree (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:12PM
    • Re:Re-entry by smartalix (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:15PM
    • Re:Re-entry by AndroidCat (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:39PM
      • Re:Re-entry by hobbesmaster (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @04:11PM
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  • Back Into Hiding (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Tackhead (54550) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:14PM (#5761198)
    > "We are not seeking funding and are not selling anything. We are in the middle of an important research program - to see if manned space access can be done by other than the expensive government programs," Rutan explained.
    >
    >Rutan said that after today, plans call for his group to go "back into hiding," to complete the flight tests and conduct the space flights.

    I don't blame him. If I threatened doom for six billion dollars a year of NASA Shuttle Pork, I'd want to be in hiding, too! :)

    Burt - you rock. You rock in the way that NASA used to rock. You rock in the way most NASA engineers would love to be allowed to rock.

    No matter what NASA does to try and shut you down, please don't stop.

    • Re:Back Into Hiding by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:35PM
      • Re:Back Into Hiding by robi2106 (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @04:46PM
      • Re:Back Into Hiding (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Tackhead (54550) on Friday April 18 2003, @04:56PM (#5762287)
        > X prize is no threat to NASA, if anything, it's a private resource that NASA can tap to further it's own objectives (space station, another moon mission, mars missions, etc).

        In a perfect world, yes.

        In the real world, when Congress tells NASA that due to the availability of a $10M launch platform, (as opposed to the $500M Shuttle) that NASA's launch budget is being cut by 98%, NASA cares very much.

        In the real real world, when $CONTRACTOR tells $LOBBYIST to tell $CONGRESSMAN that the existence of a $10M launch platform threatens $100M per year of funding for jobs in his district, Rutan has to be very careful. Not so much of NASA, or evil Men-In-Black conspiracy theories, but of the FAA and other legal roadblocks that Congress can put up to stop him in order to keep the pr0k a flowin'.

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        • Irony by Julian Morrison (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @06:00PM
          • Re:Irony by Art Tatum (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @06:15PM
        • Re:Back Into Hiding by Tackhead (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @06:35PM
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    • Re:Back Into Hiding by FWMiller (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:02PM
    • Re:Back Into Hiding by Syncdata (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @03:36PM
    • Re:Back Into Hiding by DerekLyons (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @06:24PM
  • Contact (Score:5, Funny)

    by telstar (236404) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:17PM (#5761220)
    "Burt Rutan's company, Scaled Composites, announced that they have been developing a commercial manned space program in secret for the past two years."
    • I though they were supposed to wait for the religious freaks to blow up the first one before letting Jodi Foster know this one existed.

    • Re:Contact by TheSunborn (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @02:53PM
    • Re:Contact by telstar (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:31PM
    • Re:Contact by sean23007 (Score:2) Monday April 21 2003, @07:42PM
  • That's some fuel! (Score:5, Funny)

    "SpaceShipOne officials are reviewing use of hybrid rocket propulsion system provided by SpaceDev of Poway, California. Hybrid propulsion uses Nitrous Oxide -- also dubbed Laughing Gas -- and HTPB (tire rubber)."

    Burning rubber to orbit, laughing all the way? (Yeah yeah, it's sub-orbital -- for now.)

  • Text of main page (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MsWillow (17812) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:19PM (#5761237)
    (http://home.comcast.net/~jeannenospam/ | Last Journal: Thursday October 18, @08:15PM)
    Mojave, California, April 18, 2003:
    Scaled Composites today unveiled the existence of a commercial manned space program. This previously hidden, active research program has been in the works at its facility for two years. This program includes an airborne launcher (the White Knight), a space ship (SpaceShipOne), rocket propulsion, avionics, simulator and ground support elements.
    Master of Ceremonies, Cliff Robertson, introduced Burt Rutan who explained the history and the components of the program. Other dignitaries who attended the event were Dr. Maxim Faget (pioneer configuratioin designer of the early NASA space program from the Mercury through the Apollo programs), Erik Lindbergh (grandson of Charles Lindbergh and President of the Lindbergh Foundation), and Dennis Tito (Soyuz space tourist).
    Further information about the space program and high-resolution photographs are available at the Scaled Composites website: www.scaled.com.
  • very sci fi looking .. no ? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Brigadier (12956) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:23PM (#5761251)


    Whenever I look at the entries for this competition I can't help but wonder why they all have this sci fi look to them. ie something out of start trek. I always have this image of some guy of a err more feminine persuasion flailing his hands and going " it justht doesnt look spathy enough.... more spathy people ...."
  • Capabilities of space craft... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by CommieLib (468883) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:25PM (#5761267)
    (http://chrisbbehrens.blogspot.com/)
    Between the article and the qualifications [xprize.org] of the X-Prize, we can cobble together what the minimum performance levels of this craft are:

    From the XPrize site:

    • able to carry three people to 100 kilometers (62.5 miles)
    • Returns safely to Earth (duh)
    • Repeats the launch with the same ship within 2 weeks
    While the article notes a higher performance level:

    a three-person single-stage fully reusable spaceship up to 112 miles (180 kilometers), giving those onboard some five minutes of microgravity. In addition, two-stage expendable boosters could be lobbed skyward from the aircraft, placing micro-satellite payloads of up to 80 pounds (36 kilograms) into low Earth orbit.

    So we're talking about a total 700 pound payload including crew, capable of traveling to low earth orbit, where many satellites travel. I wonder if you exchanged a crewman and the microsattelite payload, you might have enough fuel to de-orbit with a satellite (though you'd have to have a bay large enough to take it).

    If nothing else, I can see a satellite repair / refueling service come out of this in no time. Seems like the next step is to deploy a ferry to LEO that can truck the payload to GEO and beyond.
  • Notice to new linkees... by demonlapin (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:26PM
  • nothing new by lastninja (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:28PM
  • Significant aero prizes by SteveAstro (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:32PM
  • Data From Web Site (Score:5, Informative)

    by ChangeOnInstall (589099) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:33PM (#5761321)
    The Press Release

    Mojave, California, April 18, 2003:
    Scaled Composites today unveiled the existence of a commercial manned space program. This previously hidden, active research program has been in the works at its facility for two years. This program includes an airborne launcher (the White Knight), a space ship (SpaceShipOne), rocket propulsion, avionics, simulator and ground support elements.
    Master of Ceremonies, Cliff Robertson, introduced Burt Rutan who explained the history and the components of the program. Other dignitaries who attended the event were Dr. Maxim Faget (pioneer configuratioin designer of the early NASA space program from the Mercury through the Apollo programs), Erik Lindbergh (grandson of Charles Lindbergh and President of the Lindbergh Foundation), and Dennis Tito (Soyuz space tourist).
    Further information about the space program and high-resolution photographs are available at the Scaled Composites website: www.scaled.com.

    The FAQ

    Frequently Asked Questions

    VISION
    What does Burt Rutan think of the other X-Prize designs?
    Burt prefers to discuss this only after the X-Prize is won.

    How long has Burt been working on all this?
    The concept dates back to April 1996. Design work and some limited testing was started 3.5 years ago. The full development program began in May 2001.

    What's going to be next in Burt's bag of tricks?
    Scaled has completed 34 manned research aircraft and none were announced until they were ready to fly.

    BUSINESS
    How much does it all cost?
    This is generally not known until the program is complete, but projections place it close to a Soyuz ride.

    How much will it cost to get a ride into space?
    Rides will not be offered in SpaceShipOne. The price of a ride will have to take in consideration the cost of certification and establishing an airliner-like operation. One goal of this research program is to see how low it might be without the burden of regulatory costs. At program completion we will have good data for operational costs and may publish them.

    Is it physically stressful?
    It is expected to be on the order of some modern theme park rides. The highest forces occur during reentry but build up gradually and peak near 6 G's for less than 10 seconds. With the pilot and passengers reclined, these forces should be quite tolerable for anyone in reasonable health.

    Is Burt Rutan going to ride in the vehicle?
    Yes, as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

    WHITE KNIGHT
    Why did the first flight last only 2 minutes?
    The airplane had outboard spoilers on the wings to help improve roll control in the event of gusty cross wind landings. They were pneumatically actuated (using the same tanks, valves and fittings as the RCS system on SpaceShipOne) and returned to recesses in the wings by springs. On the first flight, the low air pressure, at rotation was sufficient to "suck" the spoilers out which killed the lift and caused the return springs to slam them closed. Four of these surfaces chattering out on the wingtips during the climb out produced significant airframe vibrations and the pilot elected to turn downwind and land immediately rather than aggravate the condition any longer than necessary.

    How can you see where you're going?
    The visibility is actually much better than you might imagine. By moving your head slightly you can piece together an acceptable picture of the outside world and maintain adequate "situational awareness". What is more difficult is spotting other airborne traffic. However, between radar advisories from ground controllers and an onboard traffic alert system called "Skywatch," this limitation is minimized.

    Isn't it hard to land with all those wheels?
    No. The pilot doesn't notice that he has two nose wheels up front and with excellent elevator control
    he can hold them off until about 45 knots during the landing roll.

    Why is the cockpit called a "pressure vessel"?
    The cockpit is airtight and
  • It's a by pkunzipper (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:38PM
    • Re:It's a by Avakado (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:58PM
  • World's most BORING spaceship name! by payndz (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @02:38PM
  • Burt Rutan vs. John Carmack? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Agar (105254) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:40PM (#5761355)
    While I realize that a paint job can cover many ills, it does appear that Rutan is significantly farther along in constructing his X-Prize vehicle than Carmack.

    Comparing pictures, you see:
    Armadillo Aerospace Launch Vehicle [armadilloaerospace.com]
    vs.
    Scaled Composites aircraft and drop ship [space.com]

    Perhaps one of the issues is that Armadillo publishes their status (and myriad problems) openly (see the latest update [armadilloaerospace.com] for example). No one knows what issues Scaled Composites has had as they worked in secret, but it's easy to feel like Rutan's running a professional company while Carmack is leading a group of (brilliant, talented) hobbyists.

    I'd be interested in hearing Armadillo/Carmack's perspective on the competitive landscape, now that this new player has made an announcement.
    • Re:Burt Rutan vs. John Carmack? by TheSync (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:08PM
    • Re:Burt Rutan vs. John Carmack? (Score:5, Informative)

      by John Carmack (101025) on Friday April 18 2003, @03:39PM (#5761791)
      We have obviously been eagerly waiting for this unveiling. Nobody has denied that Rutan is the odds-on favorite for the X-Prize, but I take a positive thing away from this unveiling -- I have always contended that being an "airplane guy" is going to hurt Rutan in the X-Prize, and this is definitely a "winged thing". I would have been more concerned if it was just a purely ballistic capsule being air launched. I have little doubt that they will fairly rapidly have successful zoom climbs to somewhat above 100,000', but it is far from the simplest design to go to 350,000'. It is certainly true that complex designs can be made to work with enough talent, experience, testing, and money, which Rutan has all of, but there is plenty of room for things to screw up.

      I don't expect that they will make any flights to 100km this year, but I can certainly be proven wrong...

      I am quite happy with our current design, and we are committed to following through irrespective of what Rutan does. Even if he makes it, we have a different ecological niche in terms of vehicle capabilities -- our entire launch infrastructure can be towed by a light truck, and launched from anywhere. If he does win the X-Prize before us, we will ditch the monopropellant propulsion system and move to something more cost effective (at the expense of more development time) for the long term. We may be forced to do that anyway, if our peroxide situation doesn't resolve itself.

      John Carmack
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    • Re:Burt Rutan vs. John Carmack? by BenJeremy (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @09:42PM
  • by Kevin Burtch (13372) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:44PM (#5761385)

    no... really! (read the article)
    Wierdest fuel I've ever heard of!
  • The Firestar saga is about a billinaire industrialist who starts her own space program. However, her main motive is fear of killer astroids, not scientific curiosity.
  • Not exactly a surprise... by jlockard (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:46PM
  • I still like XCOR's design... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Analog Squirrel (547794) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:48PM (#5761417)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    I know that their design [xcor.com] is a long way off, but they have been spending lots of time on a their motor designs. They've even been testing them on a Rutan designed Long EZ [xcor.com](modified, of course). Does anyone know if XCOR is officially an X-prize [xprize.org] team? They're not on the list [xprize.org]...
  • Poor name.... by Kevin Burtch (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @02:53PM
  • SpaceShipOne by glwtta (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @02:54PM
  • But I wonder by EdMack (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:54PM
  • anyone else notice this? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 18 2003, @03:01PM (#5761516)
    ... this [scaled.com] image appears to have been fiddled with. Look at the red engine exhaust nozzle. Clearly been image-manip'ed.
  • You cant keep good engineers down (Score:3, Interesting)

    by FWMiller (9925) on Friday April 18 2003, @03:07PM (#5761553)
    (http://www.cornfed.com/)

    Note that Max Faget is involved in this endeavor. He is widely recognized as being responsible for the basic configuration of the Space Shuttle when he was with NASA. I met him once years ago when I was working on the Space Station. He was involved in the then termed Assured Crew Return Vehicle (ACRV), the lifeboat, I don't know what they are calling it now. You could really sense the frustration in him in the system and how he really wanted to have another oppurtunity to build something. Looks like he found another chance!

    • Note that Max Faget is involved in this endeavor.

      Never in a thousand years could I imagine a worse name to grow up with. His school years must make prison look like playschool.
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    • Re:You cant keep good engineers down by WolfWithoutAClause (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:59PM
    • Re:You cant keep good engineers down (Score:4, Informative)

      by orac2 (88688) on Friday April 18 2003, @04:17PM (#5762052)
      Well, you have to be a little careful regarding Faget and the shuttle, given that his short winged 'DC-3' design was on the losing side of the compromise with the Air Force regarding the shuttle's cross range capability. Additionally, the DC-3 looked like it would have suffered from severe heating and aerodynamic instability problems on re-entry. Unlike the Mercury/Apollo era, where Faget's word was the only word, industry pushed back with their own spacecraft designs for the shuttle program and largely won -- the idea for a planform orbiter and a drop tank came from outside his team.

      However, to be fair, after the DC-3 battle, Faget's team did have the crucial insight that the external tank could serve a structural function as the backbone of the shuttle stack, instead of just hanging off it, and their MSC-040 orbiter design was the baseline for the production orbiters.
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    • Re:You cant keep good engineers down by DerekLyons (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @06:29PM
  • by BluedemonX (198949) on Friday April 18 2003, @03:12PM (#5761589)
    the Sontaran empire is trying to catch up.....
  • Rocket nozzle is faked. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dr. Zowie (109983) <slashdot AT deforest DOT org> on Friday April 18 2003, @03:14PM (#5761620)
    The scaled.com website has several high-resolution photos of the SpaceShipOne and the launch vehicle. They all look pretty real, except that the red rocket nozzle is pretty clearly pasted on in photoshop.

    The 3/4 front view that's posted in the article appears to have a real "not-for-flight" mockup nozzle, but the shape and color are different than the rear-view photos. The rocket nozzles in the rear-view shots have clear cut-and-paste artifacts around them.

    It's arguably OK to have a mockup nozzle -- it's a longstanding convention that red "not-for-flight" mockup parts get put on during construction and design, and there's no reason to have the real rocket motor on the device for an aerodynamic flight test. But photoshopping a more realistic nozzle is not OK.

    Burt, burt, burt -- don't blow it like that!

    • Re:Rocket nozzle is faked. by robi2106 (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @03:34PM
      • Re:Rocket nozzle is faked. (Score:4, Informative)

        by smartalix (84502) on Friday April 18 2003, @04:41PM (#5762188)
        (http://www.smartalix.com/)
        The site plainly states that the rocket engine has not yet been selected. That means that there is no nozzle yet on the craft. Obviously, to prevent morons from pointing and saying "it has no engine!" even though it has already been explained that there isn't one yet, a nozzle was added in the photos for cosmetic purposes.
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    • Re:Rocket nozzle is faked. by Moofie (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @04:59PM
    • Re:Cockpit screen also by asadodetira (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @05:24PM
    • Re:Rocket nozzle is faked. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by RedWizzard (192002) on Friday April 18 2003, @06:51PM (#5762810)
      Take a look at this [scaled.com] picture and note the position of the shadow on the rocket nozzle and the shadow of the launch vehicle cockpit of the landing gear on the right. Now compare to the picture at the bottom of this page [scaled.com]. Note that the shadow of the cockpit is identical to the first picture, as are other shadows cast by the vehicle. But in that picture the nozzle is completely in shadow. One of the pictures must be altered.

      In fact the first picture seems to be an altered version of the second picture. What's different:

      • The rocket nozzle.
      • In the first pic SpaceShipOne is mated to the launcher, in the second pic SpaceShipOne is resting on it's own landing gear.
      • In the second pic the launcher does not have it's jet engines installed (in fact those jet engines are not installed in any of the ground based pictures I've seen except the first pic).
      What's the same:
      • The shadows are in exactly the same positions (so the pictures where taken at the same time of day, to within a few minutes).
      • The cracks in the ground are exactly the same so the vehicles have been places in the same position, despite major work having been performed (the jet engines, the mating superstructure).
      • The backgrounds are identical, right down to another vehicle on the tarmac obscured in exactly the same way by the landing gear on the right. All the other planes in the background are also in the same locations.
      IMO, the picture of the mated vehicles has been faked from the picture of the separate vehicles. SpaceShipOne's landing gear has been removed (suspiciously leaving no hatch for it to emerge from), the mating superstructure has been added, and the launcher's jet engines have been added. I can only imagine this has been done to make it appear that they are further advanced than they actually are.
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      • Busted! by Dr. Zowie (Score:3) Friday April 18 2003, @07:49PM
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  • hurrah for Burt! by swordgeek (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:19PM
  • More interesting space stuff by fname (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:25PM
  • Nice design, and functional by koehn (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @03:27PM
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  • Things that make you go hmmm.. by TheHawke (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:31PM
    • Re:Things that make you go hmmm.. (Score:4, Interesting)

      by CDS (143158) on Friday April 18 2003, @04:29PM (#5762117)
      In typical Rutan style (and the Rutans DEFINATELY have a style all their own) this bird doesn't look like it should even EXIST outside an Anime cartoon, much less FLY -- and only Burt Rutan could come up with a working prototype powered by LAUGHING GAS AND OLD TIRES!

      And in typical Rutan fashion, it'll probably work perfectly the first flight, and cost less than 1/10th what NASA could do it for :) By the way, Burt pronounces NASA as "Nay-Say". Kinda tells ya something...

      Interesting story:
      I attended a lecture Burt gave last year (at Oshkosh Airventure 2002) and he was talking about the Proteus. They were involved in an air quality experiment. There were several layers of airplanes in a vertical stack -- the Proteus was assigned the 65,000ft layer, and a NASA U2 was given the 68,000ft assignment. The U2 (which was only flying 3000ft above the Proteus) had a full maintenance crew of 40. The Proteus came with a crew of 2! Rutan stated that they spent most of their day on the ground, playing cards and waiting for the U2 crew to finish maintenance....
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  • My guess... by chassum (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @03:51PM
  • So did you hear... by Mir322 (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @03:58PM
  • Forget NASA by Tighe_L (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @04:01PM
  • Just $10M? by Gorimek (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @04:16PM
    • Re:Just $10M? by silentbozo (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @09:46PM
  • Is it just me... by Lord_Dweomer (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @04:24PM
  • Designed by Colani? by concepthouse (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @04:30PM
  • I KNEW it!!! by HPTiPete (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @05:09PM
  • scaled.com web site. by Codeesan (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @05:21PM
  • I Hope The Controls On This Thing... by istartedi (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @05:34PM
  • Obligatory Simpsons reference... by tlambert (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @07:36PM
  • Actually... by ivern76 (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @07:53PM
  • Well, if Burt Rutan built it... by Mysticalfruit (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @09:42PM
  • Not that secret by Jonner (Score:1) Saturday April 19 2003, @12:09AM
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  • in secret? by Hubert_Shrump (Score:2) Saturday April 19 2003, @11:11AM
  • Nomination for Passenger by DavidBrown (Score:2) Saturday April 19 2003, @03:33PM
  • X-Prize by spacebus (Score:1) Saturday April 19 2003, @04:05PM
  • Where to by LordMyren (Score:1) Monday April 21 2003, @02:12AM
  • Re:Can I get the prize? by pe1rxq (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @02:03PM
  • And the FAQ: (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 18 2003, @02:05PM (#5761128)
    Frequently Asked Questions

    VISION
    What does Burt Rutan think of the other X-Prize designs?
    Burt prefers to discuss this only after the X-Prize is won.

    How long has Burt been working on all this?
    The concept dates back to April 1996. Design work and some limited testing was started 3.5 years ago. The full development program began in May 2001.

    What's going to be next in Burt's bag of tricks?
    Scaled has completed 34 manned research aircraft and none were announced until they were ready to fly.

    BUSINESS
    How much does it all cost?
    This is generally not known until the program is complete, but projections place it close to a Soyuz ride.

    How much will it cost to get a ride into space?
    Rides will not be offered in SpaceShipOne. The price of a ride will have to take in consideration the cost of certification and establishing an airliner-like operation. One goal of this research program is to see how low it might be without the burden of regulatory costs. At program completion we will have good data for operational costs and may publish them.

    Is it physically stressful?
    It is expected to be on the order of some modern theme park rides. The highest forces occur during reentry but build up gradually and peak near 6 G's for less than 10 seconds. With the pilot and passengers reclined, these forces should be quite tolerable for anyone in reasonable health.

    Is Burt Rutan going to ride in the vehicle?
    Yes, as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

    WHITE KNIGHT
    Why did the first flight last only 2 minutes?
    The airplane had outboard spoilers on the wings to help improve roll control in the event of gusty cross wind landings. They were pneumatically actuated (using the same tanks, valves and fittings as the RCS system on SpaceShipOne) and returned to recesses in the wings by springs. On the first flight, the low air pressure, at rotation was sufficient to "suck" the spoilers out which killed the lift and caused the return springs to slam them closed. Four of these surfaces chattering out on the wingtips during the climb out produced significant airframe vibrations and the pilot elected to turn downwind and land immediately rather than aggravate the condition any longer than necessary.

    How can you see where you're going?
    The visibility is actually much better than you might imagine. By moving your head slightly you can piece together an acceptable picture of the outside world and maintain adequate "situational awareness". What is more difficult is spotting other airborne traffic. However, between radar advisories from ground controllers and an onboard traffic alert system called "Skywatch," this limitation is minimized.

    Isn't it hard to land with all those wheels?
    No. The pilot doesn't notice that he has two nose wheels up front and with excellent elevator control
    he can hold them off until about 45 knots during the landing roll.

    Why is the cockpit called a "pressure vessel"?
    The cockpit is airtight and the air is not freely exchanged with the outside air. So like a submarine the structure must be able to withstand large forces due to the pressure differential. In the case of this vehicle, there is high pressure air inside compared to the near vacuum outside.

    How do you keep the air breathable?
    There are three components to keeping the cockpit environment suitable for flight. One, oxygen needs to be added at a small rate for that used by breathing. This is done with a small bottle carried in the cabin. Two, the carbon dioxide from the exhaled air needs to be removed and this is done by means of a substance called "Sodasorb". Finally, the humidity is controlled by another substance called "3X"that removes water vapor, keeping the cabin cool and dry.

    Have there been any surprises during flight test?
    Right from the start the White Knight has been one of Scaled's best handling aircraft. It has good control harmony and is surprisingly responsive for a large airplane. Despite its high wing,
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  • Re:cheap access to space (Score:3, Insightful)

    by smartalix (84502) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:07PM (#5761145)
    (http://www.smartalix.com/)
    You probably said that nobody could fly around the world on a tank of gas, too.
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  • Re:Ho Hum. (Score:3, Informative)

    by smartalix (84502) on Friday April 18 2003, @02:18PM (#5761227)
    (http://www.smartalix.com/)
    If it can get into space, it's a spacecraft. Orbit is another thing entirely. The first American spaceflight by Alan Shepard was sub-orbital, you know. (But you obviously don't, or you wouldn't have made the above comment.)

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    • Re:Ho Hum. by fenix down (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @05:50PM
  • Re:The Whiffle Ship? by AndroidCat (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @02:46PM
  • Re:cheap access to space by gurps_npc (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @03:52PM
  • Re:Pretty??? by Gonoff (Score:1) Friday April 18 2003, @04:04PM
  • Re:What are the limitations of conventional aircra by cameldrv (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @04:43PM
  • Re:What, no EZ jokes yet?? by Kevin Burtch (Score:2) Friday April 18 2003, @08:12PM
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