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Riemann Hypothesis Proved?

Posted by Hemos on Mon Mar 03, 2003 10:15 AM
from the cracking-the-problems dept.
Theodore Logan writes "Has the Riemann Hypothesis finally been proved? The proof is a couple of months old, and to the best of my knowledge a Swedish newspaper is the only one to take up the story yet, so there is certainly a possibility that this is a hoax, or a less than watertight proof. But if it turns out to be the real thing, it will, apart from winning the authors eternal fame and glory for finding the holy Grail of modern math, provide them with a cool $1 million as they claim the first Millennium Prize." We had a story a while back about this as well.
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  • Riemann hypothesis (Score:5, Funny)

    by YellowSnow (569705) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:17AM (#5424070)
    First Proof?
  • um... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 03 2003, @10:19AM (#5424086)

    "A proof of the Riemann's hypothesis (RH) about the non-trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta-function is presented. It is based on the construction of an infinite family of operators D^{(k,l)} in one dimension, and their respective eigenfunctions \psi_s (t), parameterized by continuous real indexes k and l. Orthogonality of the eigenfunctions is connected to the zeros of the Riemann zeta-function. Due to the fundamental Gauss-Jacobi relation and the Riemann fundamental relation Z (s') = Z (1-s'), one can show that there is a direct concatenation among the following symmetries, t goes to 1/t, s goes to \beta - s (\beta a real), and s' goes to 1 - s', which establishes a one-to-one correspondence between the label s of one orthogonal state to a unique vacuum state, and a zero s' of the \zeta. It is shown that the RH is a direct consequence of these symmetries, by arguing in particular that an exclusion of a continuum of the zeros of the Riemann zeta function results in the discrete set of the zeros located at the points s_n = 1/2 + i \lambda_n in the complex plane."

    What the fuck?

    • Re: um... by sfraggle (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:22AM
    • Re:um... by agentZ (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @10:31AM
    • Re:um... (Score:5, Informative)

      by shayborg (650364) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:35AM (#5424213)
      This [dgl.com] provides a pretty good layperson's overview of the problem, as well as why it's relevant.

      -- shayborg
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    • by MarvinMouse (323641) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:36AM (#5424227)
      (Last Journal: Saturday September 04 2004, @10:35AM)
      A proof of the Riemann's hypothesis (RH) about the non-trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta-function is presented.

      We are going to show you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the non-trivial zeros of the zeta-function are of the form 1/2 +- i*theta_n.

      It is based on the construction of an infinite family of operators D^{(k,l)} in one dimension, and their respective eigenfunctions \psi_s (t), parameterized by continuous real indexes k and l.

      To do this, we are going to use the operators D^{(k,1)} and their respective vectors \psi_s (t), such that using D^{(k,1)} on \psi_s (t) will produce k*(\psi_s (t)), where k is some non-zero constant. Unfortunately though, we have to show a way to product all of these operators. So the "construction of" the operators will be contained within the proof.

      Orthogonality of the eigenfunctions is connected to the zeros of the Riemann zeta-function.

      These \psi_s (t) vectors are also all at "right-angles" to eachother. So their cross products = 0.

      Due to the fundamental Gauss-Jacobi relation and the Riemann fundamental relation Z (s') = Z (1-s'), one can show that there is a direct concatenation among the following symmetries, t goes to 1/t, s goes to \beta - s (\beta a real), and s' goes to 1 - s', which establishes a one-to-one correspondence between the label s of one orthogonal state to a unique vacuum state, and a zero s' of the \zeta.

      Z(s') = Z(1-s') is true. Thus, we can show that there is a connection between the follwing symmetries:
      t goes to 1/t,
      s goes to \beta -s (where beta is a real number),
      and s' goes to 1 - s'

      In Q.M. we can show then a correspondence between one of these orthogonal states to a unique vacuum state (from Quantum Mechanics), and thus a solution of the zeta function.

      It is shown that the RH is a direct consequence of these symmetries, by arguing in particular that an exclusion of a continuum of the zeros of the Riemann zeta function results in the discrete set of the zeros located at the points s_n = 1/2 + i \lambda_n in the complex plane.

      From these neat little tricks, we can show that the Riemann Hypothesis must be true, because these things are true.
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    • News for Nerds by barnaclebarnes (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:54AM
    • Re:um... by Twister002 (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @11:27AM
      • Re:um... (Score:5, Funny)

        by Strike (220532) on Monday March 03 2003, @11:59AM (#5424811)
        Your comment is entirely orthogonal to the main story, please remain on topic.

        (/me lobbies for the changing of "Off-Topic" moderation to "Orthogonal to Topic")
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        • Re:um... by arkanes (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @01:17PM
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      • Re:orthogonal by Skavookie (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @11:40PM
    • Millenium Prize description for RIemann's Hypo... by terradyn (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @11:41AM
    • Re:um... by samhalliday (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @11:51AM
    • Re:um... (Score:4, Insightful)


      Please, I get enough of that kind of attitude on TV,
      in movies,
      at work,
      at home,
      at church,
      at the bus stop,
      in stores,
      at the DMV,
      in restaurants,
      under my bed
      and standing next to ANYONE who has vowels in their names.

      /. is, in fact, the only place since grad school where this sort of news topic discussion is **possible**, let alone normal, so I would appreciate it if you would NOT remind me how much more life is like Empty-V than The Discovery Channel, mmmkay?

      Thank you.

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    • Re:um... (Score:4, Informative)

      by XSforMe (446716) on Monday March 03 2003, @11:01AM (#5424388)

      It has been years since I studied this, and even then I didn't fully understood it. So if there are any mathematicians reading this out there, please feel free to correct any misconceptions I might have.

      Reimans hypothesis basically states that there is a correleation between the distribution of prime numbers (how many numbers are in between each of them) and a complex function (complex in the sense that it deals with imaginary numbers). In theory, you could use this complex function to predict the space there is between one prime number and the next one. Therefore you could use this function to predict which would be the next prime number given any other.

      One possible field of appliction is encryption, which strongly relies on the mapping of this numbers.

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      • Re:um... by samhalliday (Score:3) Monday March 03 2003, @12:06PM
        • Re:um... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by mcg1969 (237263) on Monday March 03 2003, @02:35PM (#5425911)
          if we could rationalise prime numbers, PGP encryption would suddenly become (overnight) about as strong as a password on a zip file, or a world readable /etc/shadow. you could calculate anyones private key from their public one.
          I don't buy this at all. Riemann's Hypothesis has been been thought to be true, or at least very likely, for a long time, because it has proven true by example. For example, we know that it's true for the first 1.5 million primes; we know that it's true for at least 40% of all primes.

          So if it could be used to break encryption keys as you say, we would not need a proof to start doing so. We could just use it now to generate keys; and its effectiveness would be evident. So no, I don't think that the proof of Riemann's Hypothesis has any sort of bearing on encryption algorithms.

          Now it could be that some of the techniques used in the proof itself could provide some insights into prime factorization methods. But again, we don't need a proof itself to get those insights, we just need the techniques themselves.
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  • Okay, assuming this proof to be correct... by Spyral999 (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:23AM
  • Sooo... what is it exactly? by Max Romantschuk (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:26AM
  • GREAT SCOTT!!! (Score:5, Funny)

    by siliconwafer (446697) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:28AM (#5424154)
    Finally, the mathematics we need to generate the 1.21 jigawatts to go ...

  • Wow ... (Score:3, Informative)

    by shayborg (650364) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:29AM (#5424156)
    IIRC this has been something of a holy grail for mathematicians for years. When John Nash tried to prove it in his prime, everyone laughed at him, not believing that even someone as brilliant as Nash could solve the infamous problem. If this isn't a fake, it's a pretty amazing achievement.

    -- shayborg
    • Re:Wow ... by gowen (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @11:57AM
    • Nash ramblings by No Such Agency (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @08:08PM
  • On a related note.... by Boss, Pointy Haired (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:29AM
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  • No one noticed this? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by epong (561351) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:30AM (#5424167)
    (http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~cudney)
    This was posted in August, and no one noticed until now? I check the arXiv every single for new articles. But I never saw this. The reason: it was posted in general mathematics and high energy physics theory, not the number theory section where it would belong.
    The arXiv will post nearly anything that resembles a mathematical paper-they don't do any refereeing. However, they apparently use the "general mathematics" section for papers that seem crankish like this one. And the fact that it took more than six months for this proof to make the news is proof that absolutely no one reads that section.

    I haven't looked at the proof yet, but I'm worried that it will be at best a "physicist's proof"-a series of claims deduced by using some sort of physical reasoning that is not mathematically rigorous, since it seems to have been written by physicists, and is in the physics section.
    • Re:No one noticed this? (Score:5, Informative)

      by You're All Wrong (573825) on Monday March 03 2003, @12:05PM (#5424856)
      Your worries are well founded. Mathematicians have seen it, and have dismissed it as being very sloppily, and _non-mathematically_ written. Noone I know (mathematicians, that is) have bothered to read beyond the point where they throw their hands up in the air and cry "this is nothing but sloppy handwaving".

      For example, in the _very first_ equation, he introduces an "operator", and conveniently forgets to mention what space this operator is supposed toact on. A Banach space? A Hilbert Space? We should not have to _guess_ what algebraic structure they're using.

      YAW.
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  • Svedish Noospapers by ackthpt (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:30AM
    • Sciencemag.org by NoCoward (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:42AM
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  • Translation (Score:5, Funny)

    by Quixote (154172) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:31AM (#5424176)
    (http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday April 16 2003, @07:07AM)
    Here's a "translation" from InterTran [tranexp.com]. Be gentle.


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    • Re:Translation by forgoil (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @10:34AM
      • Re:Translation by TopShelf (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @11:01AM
        • err... by TopShelf (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @11:11AM
    • From a Swede (Score:4, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 03 2003, @10:37AM (#5424233)
      Here's a slightly better one [nada.kth.se].

      Slashdot them to hell. It's my university, they can take it.
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    • Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:53AM
    • Funny by tomzyk (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @11:01AM
    • Human Translation (Score:5, Informative)

      by erl (7024) on Monday March 03 2003, @11:02AM (#5424398)
      That computer translation is hilarious!

      Here's a human translation:

      Classical Math Problem May Be Solved

      One of the great unsolved problems of mathematics, the so called Riemann Hypothesis, may have a solution 144 years after Bernhard Riemann published his idea of a special equation, related to prime numbers.

      If the proof does turn out to be correct, the two problem solvers may be eventually be able to collect a one million dollar reward.

      In the year 1900, the world's leading mathematicians gathered for a conference in Paris. During the conference, David Hilbert, the leading mind of mathematics at the time, presented 23 problems which would affect mathematics for the ensuing century, and yet today. One of these problems was the Riemann hypothesis, and despite great effort it has remained unsolved. However, in November of 2002, Carlos Castro of Clark Atlanta University, Atlanta, USA, and Jorge Mahecha of the University of Antioquia, Medellin, Colombia published a proposed solution.

      They won't be able to collect the one million dollar reward offered by the american Clay Mathematics Institute until one year after publication. This is to allow other mathematicians time to check the result, and verify its correctness.

      - If this is true, then it is a sensational. This is a class of problems which requires much work before a possible solution can be confirmed. Thousands of mathematicians all over the world will cast themselves at this, and examine the evidence in minute detail, says Anders Karlqvist, mathematician, professor of informatics and head of the Polar Research Secretariat.

      He explains that certain of Hilberts problems are problem areas rather than individual problems. Some have also been reformulated. If the Riemann Hypothesis is solved, then ten of the 23 problems are solved, seven are unsolved, five are partially solved, and one is no longer relevant.

      According to Anders Karlqvist, Hilbert was a great man within his field, and a great period ended with him. He was the last man to have an overview of all the fields of mathematics.

      Mathematics have developed very rapidly during the latest decades, thanks to an aid that the mathematicians of the early 20th century couldn't predict - the computer. The ever faster and larger computers of today can handle vast quantities of numbers and quickly make calculations that used to be impossible for a person even if he or she spent an entire lifetime.

      With the help of computers, certain problems have been solved, such as the four color problem. It says that at most four different colors are neccessary to colour a map, so that areas with a common border don't have the same color. A computer program has systematically gone through all possible combinations.

      Anders Karlqvist thinks that this involves a philosophical dilemma: should proofs in the form of computer programs be accepted? He believes that we stand before a culture shift within mathematics. During the coming decade mathematics will develop radically due to the increasingly efficient computers.

      Bengt Jonsson

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    • Re:Translation (Score:5, Funny)

      by PurpleBob (63566) on Monday March 03 2003, @11:56AM (#5424786)
      its luck is förknippad with primtalen.

      I suppose if I were about to win a million dollars, my luck would be förknippad with primtalen, too.
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    • InterTran is crap by almightyjustin (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @03:11PM
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  • One explanation by Hao Wu (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:31AM
  • You can help (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Slightly Askew (638918) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:33AM (#5424187)
    (Last Journal: Friday June 08 2007, @01:42PM)
    In case you're tired of looking for UFOs with SETI, you can use your spare CPU cycles to help prove/disprove this hypothesis here [zetagrid.net].
  • The proof is... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 03 2003, @10:34AM (#5424196)
    ...trivial and left to the reader. Sorry ;-).
  • Don't get too excited yet... (Score:5, Informative)

    by kip3f (1210) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:34AM (#5424202)
    (http://www.acm.jhu.edu/~kip/)
    This item is a submission to a mathematics journal, it has not yet been accepted for publication. The authors claim to have proven the RH by a new method, and the editors of the journal are currently reviewing the article for errors. If they find no major errors, and the minor errors are fixed, then the article will appear in the journal. Then a much larger group of mathematicians will review the article. If, after all this time, the article hasn't been disproved, then it can be accepted as valid.
  • point from the swedish article by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:35AM
  • Not first millenium prize? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by levell (538346) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:35AM (#5424215)
    (http://www.coralbark.net/)
    I think that the proof of the Poincare Conjecture [arxiv.org]. Will get the first Millenium Prize (by a few days!) if it is correct (talked about here [slashdot.org] but hey if this gets the second then blimey! Two already!?! Could be a good decade for mathematics!
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  • Statement of the hypothesis (Score:5, Informative)

    by arvindn (542080) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:37AM (#5424230)
    (http://arvindn.livejournal.com/ | Last Journal: Monday June 16 2003, @12:39AM)
    Definition of the zeta function: There is something called Riemann's zeta function: it is a function of a single complex variable. It is defined as zeta(z) = 1^(-z)+2^(-z)+3^(-z)+... (ad infinitum) You can easily see that zeta(z), as defined, converges if and only if Re(z)>1 (real part of z). However, the function is defined for all complex z using something called the analytic continuation: basically there is a unique way to extend zeta(z) for re(z) < 1 in such a way that derivatives of all orders exist at all points.

    The hypothesis states that all (nontrivial) zeroes of the zeta function occur on the line Re(z) = 1/2.

    If proved, it has immense implications in many areas of pure and applied mathematics. For instance, in number theory: it would say a lot about the distribution of prime numbers.

    The stature of the problem can be seen from the fact that it was one of the 23 problems which would shape the mathematical progress of the 20th century that David Hilbert drew up in his lecture at the 1900 Paris congress of mathematicians.

  • by siliconwafer (446697) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:37AM (#5424236)
    Re:Could you get a bit more arrogant please? (Score:5, Informative)
    by njj (133128) on Tuesday July 02, @12:05PM (#3808279)
    (http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~marem/)
    If you can't explain something in ordinary words to a layman, then you really don't understand it.

    I'm about halfway through writing up my PhD thesis on some applications of homological algebra to knot theory and low-dimensional geometric topology (provisional title liber rerum dementiae, but it'll probably end up being called something more mathematically appropriate).

    In principle, yes, I could explain the details of my research to a suitably motivated layman. But I suspect it would take rather a long time.

    You see, and this really isn't meant to sound arrogant, supercilious, or dismissive, university-level mathematics is pretty damned difficult, and the details of most cutting-edge research really doesn't make sense until you've spent several years learning the background (the mindset, the language, the fundamental concepts).

    My current area of research is essentially the applications of homological algebra to knot theory and low-dimensional geometric topology. To explain this to a non-mathematician, I'd first have to teach them a lot of background stuff (group theory, a bit of stuff about rings and modules, point set topology, basic algebraic topology (the fundamental group, (co)homology theory), some geometric topology (basic course in knot theory, some stuff about 3-manifolds), a bit of category theory, and some homological algebra (broad overview of the (co)homology theory of groups and algebras)).

    It's taken me nearly nine years (3-year BA, 1-year MSc specialising in topology and knot theory, plus nearly five years doing a (part-time) PhD) to get to this point myself. If I were a bit cleverer (or didn't have a `proper' job as well) I might have been able to shave a couple of years off that.

    My friend Steve has a physics degree. I managed, in ten minutes one evening, with much handwaving, to give him some idea of what my thesis is all about. It helped that he knew what a group was already though. But for me to explain it fully to him would probably necessitate him doing at least one mathematics degree first. And that's not really something I'd wish on one of my friends :)

    Now this really isn't meant in an arrogant way, and I hope you won't read it like that, but Euclid was right: There is no royal road to geometry.

    I can have a go at explaining the Riemann hypothesis, though. To fully understand what it's about and why it's so damned difficult you'll need to do an advanced course in complex analysis (which isn't my field either).

    A complex number is a sort of two-dimensional number, which you can regard as a point in a plane (the `complex plane' or `argand diagram'). You add them together coordinate-wise, and you multiply them together in a weird manner which involves something which behaves like a `square root of -1' (engineers also like to think of it as a sort of 90-degree phase-shift operator, I'm told).

    There's a particular function (`Riemann's zeta function') defined on the complex plane (it takes one complex number as input and returns one complex number). For some complex numbers (`the zeros of the function'), the value of this function is zero.

    The `trivial' zeros occur at the points -2, -4, -6, ... on the horizontal axis.

    The `non-trivial' zeros (that is, all the other points for which zeta is zero) all seem to occur on the line parallel to the vertical axis that intersects the horizontal axis at +0.5. Indeed, nobody's ever found one which doesn't.

    The Riemann Hypothesis is that *all* the non-trivial zeros lie on this line. It's known to be true for the first (large number which temporarily escapes me), but it turns out to be phenomenally difficult to prove that it's true in every case.

    Now that's the basic idea, but it doesn't (and I can't - it's not my field) explain *why* it's so difficult that some of the greatest minds (Hardy, Littlewood, Ramanujan, etc) of the past 150 years have failed to prove it, and why the Clay institute are willing to pay a million dollars to someone who can.

    - nicholas (we don't just sit around doing big sums, you know :)
  • Grammer different? by KFury (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @10:38AM
  • Heh (Score:4, Interesting)

    by pclminion (145572) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:39AM (#5424249)
    I guess John Nash can rest easy, now!

    The Riemann hypothesis isn't exactly the most practical of problems, but many people have spent decades working on it (and some have gone insane). It's good that it is finally put to rest.

    • Re:Heh by stud9920 (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @11:11AM
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  • by King Babar (19862) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:45AM (#5424299)
    (http://www.missouri.edu/~kingjw)

    I know the editors of this site mean well, but what we have here is a link to a site that defines the Riemann Hypothesis in very abstract terms, a link to a LANL preprint from two completely unknown researchers deposited there in November 2002, and a link to an obscure Swedish newspaper from almost two weeks ago, and no other supporting material. So my BS meter is running at 5.

    The odds that "this is the one!" given that pedigree would seem to be really tiny. But the clincher for me is the following web page dedicated to would-be proofs of the Riemnann Hypothesis [ex.ac.uk] whose important text is (and I quote):

    If you are a university mathematics lecturer who teaches analytic number theory, you might want to consider setting your students the task of deconstructing the more serious of these. They may otherwise never be given any serious attention, which would be a shame.

    And the Castro and Mahecha preprint (and another grandiosely titled preprint by Mahecha) is linked to from there. Now my BS meter is running at about 9. So now I check for messages abou this at deja.com in the sci.math group. [google.com] Read the thread yourself; it's pretty entertaining.

    So, with my BS meter running at 11, the work having been submitted for coming up on 6 months, and no indication whatsoever that this is real, I suggest it is false.

    And I also suggest that Slashdot might wish to consider contacting a real mathematician to filter their potential stories on mathematics, since I can't tell you the last time one of these "is X finally proven?" stories has panned out.

    • by Theodore Logan (139352) on Monday March 03 2003, @11:07AM (#5424427)
      Yeah, I found both of those link about half an hour after I submitted the article. Still, I'd like to add some corrections.

      1. SvD isn't an "obscure" Swedish newspaper. It's the biggest, counting readers in if not millions so at least hundreds of thousands. They seldom print bogus.

      2. That the proof hasn't been verified yet doesn't mean it can't be correct.

      3. The sci.math discussion doesn't really say anything about the validity of the proof, only that, as you say, the paper seems to not have been proof-read very well, etc.

      But, I agree that in essence you have reasonable complaints. BS meter at 11 is quite high, though. Mine is at about 5. 11 is reserved for make-money-fast schemes and herbal viagra.

      Oh, and one more thing. An AI posted a translation of the article [slashdot.org] that seems to have gone largely unnoticed. (Just in case there is someone in here who isn't fluent in Swedish.)
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      • by King Babar (19862) on Monday March 03 2003, @11:25AM (#5424571)
        (http://www.missouri.edu/~kingjw)
        1. SvD isn't an "obscure" Swedish newspaper. It's the biggest, counting readers in if not millions so at least hundreds of thousands.

        While I have no doubt that SvD is of singular value to almost everybody (especially for its largest entries on the diagonal), the fact is that it comes from Sweden makes it orthogonal to our concerns. (Sorry about that...)

        Here in the US, you have to understand that unless you share a border with Iraq, we just don't have time to be interested in you these days. :-)

        2. That the proof hasn't been verified yet doesn't mean it can't be correct.

        True enough, but see below, and the fact that if *I* had a proof of the Riemann Hypothesis, I probably wouldn't submit it to the high energy physics and "general math" sections of xarchiv.

        3. The sci.math discussion doesn't really say anything about the validity of the proof, only that, as you say, the paper seems to not have been proof-read very well, etc.

        Actually, the discussion basically says that nobody could read the thing and that it was chock full of typos. Once again, if I had a proof of the Riemann Hypothesis, I would probably make very certain that it was free of such interest-busting material. A mathematician can feel free to correct me, but I am assuming that while raw papers (especially from non-native speakers of the language the paper is submitted in) can be tough to get through, you usually *do* detect the high quality of the real work at some point pretty early on, and if you don't, you assume the worst.

        In the thread I referenced, a physicist chimed in with the observation that one of the co-authors (Castro) was not taken seriously in his own field of physics, which makes it even less plausible that the math in this paper would be new and inspiriational.

        But, I agree that in essence you have reasonable complaints. BS meter at 11 is quite high, though. Mine is at about 5. 11 is reserved for make-money-fast schemes and herbal viagra.

        Unfortunately, the Clay Math Prize has kind of made proving the Riemann Hypothesis a "make-money-fast" scheme. :-)

        Or to put it another way, here's the plan of attack I believe the authors had:

        1. Write an incomprehensible paper on the Riemann Hypothesis and sling it up onto the xarchiv.
        2. ???
        3. Profit from the Clay Math Prize!
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        • by Theodore Logan (139352) on Monday March 03 2003, @12:20PM (#5424940)
          While I have no doubt that SvD is of singular value to almost everybody (especially for its largest entries on the diagonal), the fact is that it comes from Sweden makes it orthogonal to our concerns. (Sorry about that...)

          I don't understand what you mean by this, or if you are even being serious. If a newspaper is respected, generally trustworthy and read by a large amount of people on a daily basis, where is happens to be located should of course be of no relevance.

          If you mean to say that the reason that the rest of the media isn't catching on is that the only story so far has been in a Swedish newspaper, I don't object. But if you're saying that being run in a non-US newspaper makes the story less likely to be true, I think you are a little confused.

          True enough, but see below, and the fact that if *I* had a proof of the Riemann Hypothesis, I probably wouldn't submit it to the high energy physics and "general math" sections of xarchiv.

          Recently, as in the last couple of years, the most promising contributions to RH related stuff has come from high energy physics, and many people, both in math and in physics, believe that this is the approach that will eventually bear fruit. If indeed a final proof would be more physics than number theory (perhaps the proof of the RH would only be a corrollary of some completely un-number theoretic line of reasoning) wouldn't it be reasonable to publish it in a physics journal? That it has implications for number theory isn't enough of a reason to publish it in a number theoretical journal, mostly because the readers of it would not be able to determine whether it was correct or not.

          In the thread I referenced, a physicist chimed in with the observation that one of the co-authors (Castro) was not taken seriously in his own field of physics, which makes it even less plausible that the math in this paper would be new and inspiriational.

          This is serious, agreed. I don't think I read that post.

          Unfortunately, the Clay Math Prize has kind of made proving the Riemann Hypothesis a "make-money-fast" scheme.

          Only for amateurs. But those have been trying to prove it, as well as Fermat's last theorem, Goldbach's conjecture, the twin prime conjecture etc. for a long time already. Serious researchers, on the other hand, very rarely put their reputation at stake if they don't believe they have something of real value. They know flaws will be detected, and they know that they would never win any prize with an unsound proof.

          But, like I said (in the write up, even), there is a clear possibility that this isn't the real thing. I only think you're overstating your case.
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    • I used to be in a number theory mailing list, and every week or so the list would get a mail from some amateur who thought they had proved this or that Longstanding Conjecture (TM). Everybody's favorite was the Goldbach conjecture, with the twin prime conjecture coming in a close second. Usually anyone who with a single number theory course in college could spot the error in a 10-20 line "proof". Sometimes it would be somewhat longer MS-word document that weren't so obvious. Proofs written in TeX were rare, and would need a number theorist to point out the flaw.

      There must be hunderds of these "final proof of Riemann hypothesis" claims on the web. It is sad that "a Swedish newspaper is the only one to take up the story yet" doesn't inspire caution in the /. editors but urges them on to more recklessness.

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    • The last time I remember was Fermats last Theorem. by orichter (Score:3) Monday March 03 2003, @11:18AM
    • BS meter by jbolden (Score:3) Monday March 03 2003, @12:24PM
    • Re:This proof has already gone down in flames by spun (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @06:03PM
    • Re:your message is only flamebait (Score:4, Interesting)

      by King Babar (19862) on Monday March 03 2003, @11:37AM (#5424651)
      (http://www.missouri.edu/~kingjw)
      It looks as if you haven't read the thread you pointed us to.

      Now, I really did. My favorite quote from it is the part where Aaron Bergman notes, "I also hope that math people realize that us physicists only read Castro's papers for humor purposes."

      The mathematicians (and abashed physicists) seem surprised by various techniques and idioms in the proof, but after some good-faith research, they find supporting documentation which they accept.

      That's not what I see. What I see is that they figure out among themselves that some really non-standard usages of mathematical terminology happen in physics, and that whether you use "ln" or "log" to refer to the notion of a natural log might reflect where you went to school or what calculator you used...idle chit-chat, really.

      And the "clincher" that you cite is a plea for manpower to analyze some possible proofs that will otherwise go unanalyzed, as the rest of the math community is also slavish to the idea of "if it's true, why hasn't it already been proven".

      No, my "clincher" would be that a link to this appears on the same page as work by the illlustrious Archimedes Plutonium. [newphys.se] Really, you just don't know how damning this is, do you?

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  • An Explaination of what this means (Score:5, Informative)

    by MjDascombe (549226) on Monday March 03 2003, @10:48AM (#5424306)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday June 18 2003, @11:10AM)
    Can be found here [claymath.org]
  • Will some mathematician... by stevens (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @10:51AM
  • the real reason by digitalsushi (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:54AM
  • sci.math, High Energy Physics? by ariels (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @10:54AM
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  • Breaking Encryption? by phorm (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @10:55AM
  • What is it good for? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 03 2003, @10:58AM (#5424373)
    Although the way it's formulated is fairly complex, it is intended to answer the question:

    How many prime numbers are there less than a given number.

    It doesn't take much thought to work out why that would be handy in say cryptography.

    But most complex maths starts for it's own sake. You build the tools in the knowledge that eventually someone is going to use them, and inevitably they always do.

    I read about advances in nano-technology all the time. What's the point, no-one's using them? But without them now we wouldn't have cool stuff in 20 years. Same goes for maths. I would have thought nerds of all people would get that point.
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  • oh Riemann you're so fine... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 03 2003, @11:01AM (#5424397)
    "A proof of the Riemann's hypothesis (RH) about the non-trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta-function is presented. It is based on the construction of an infinite family of operators D^{(k,l)} in one dimension, and their respective eigenfunctions \psi_s (t), parameterized by continuous real indexes k and l. Orthogonality of the eigenfunctions is connected to the zeros of the Riemann zeta-function. Due to the fundamental Gauss-Jacobi relation and the Riemann fundamental relation Z (s') = Z (1-s'), one can show that there is a direct concatenation among the following symmetries, t goes to 1/t, s goes to \beta - s (\beta a real), and s' goes to 1 - s', which establishes a one-to-one correspondence between the label s of one orthogonal state to a unique vacuum state, and a zero s' of the \zeta. It is shown that the RH is a direct consequence of these symmetries, by arguing in particular that an exclusion of a continuum of the zeros of the Riemann zeta function results in the discrete set of the zeros located at the points s_n = 1/2 + i \lambda_n in the complex plane."

    That is the WORST pickup line I have ever heard.
  • *siiiigh* (Score:3, Offtopic)

    It seems for every bit of knowledge I gain, I just learn how much more there is to know.

    Maybe in yet another two or three years I will be able to understand WTF they are talking about. . . .
  • But.... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Eu4ria (110578) on Monday March 03 2003, @11:10AM (#5424449)
    will this help me get higher frame rates in Doom III? If not then it is useless ;)

    Eu4ria
  • only 1 million? by tx_mgm (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @11:12AM
  • by Powercntrl (458442) on Monday March 03 2003, @11:13AM (#5424467)
    Will it lead the way to the return of an integer to represent your karma?
  • Ok for the laymans by Buzz_Litebeer (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @11:13AM
  • Crypto applications by Jonboy X (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @11:15AM
    • Re:Crypto applications (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 03 2003, @11:23AM (#5424548)
      (1.5*10^9 examples aren't often wrong)

      read the sales figures for pop albums.
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  • Didn't Hadamard and Vallée Poussin already do it by P145M4 (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @11:43AM
  • WWNS by Broham77 (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @12:06PM
  • I have a proof by Wolfier (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @12:06PM
  • What are the security concerns? by lawpoop (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @12:31PM
  • Watertight Proof? (Score:3, Funny)

    by peter_gzowski (465076) on Monday March 03 2003, @12:31PM (#5425008)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    so there is certainly a possibility that this is a hoax, or a less than watertight proof.

    I read this as waterproof tights for some reason... had visions of Batman in a wetsuit.
  • Why bother proving it... by Morrolan (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @12:38PM
  • Explained With Pictures (Score:5, Funny)

    by N8F8 (4562) on Monday March 03 2003, @01:03PM (#5425254)
    The theorem is explained here [ou.edu] with pictures.
  • I'm being held against my will!! by horati0 (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @01:03PM
  • Why so earth shattering by drix (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @01:11PM
  • Interesting story about the hypothesis by kevinatilusa (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @01:32PM
  • Kiss digital security bye-bye? by bot (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @02:17PM
  • What you should do about the Riemann Hypothesis by merigold77 (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @02:54PM
  • Nothing to do with encryption by gjm11 (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @03:01PM
  • NSA found it already? by tchdab1 (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @03:46PM
  • Its very short... by twem2 (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @04:21PM
  • Here is what the hypothesis says, clear and crisp: by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @04:57PM
  • Rhymin' Hypothesis by Stalemate (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @05:46PM
  • Actually... by Intocabile (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @06:32PM
  • Mathworld comment about the prize (Score:4, Interesting)

    by lingqi (577227) on Monday March 03 2003, @07:17PM (#5428646)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday February 16 2005, @12:14AM)
    from Mathworld [wolfram.com] and I quote:

    In 2000, Clay Mathematics Institute offered a $1 million prize for proof of the Riemann hypothesis. Interestingly, disproof of the Riemann hypothesis (e.g., by using a computer to actually find a zero off the critical line), does not earn the $1 million award.

    An example that operates on the exact opposite principle of awarding prizes is the recent battle between Kasprov and Deep Jr: He gets 500k regardless, and 300k extra if he wins, 200k extra if he loses, or 250k if draw (i think the last case took place).

    Talk about being stingy! I'd think that disproving the Riemann Hypothesis would be equally interesting as proving it - There are soooo many theorms out there that basically begins with "We assume that the Riemann Hypothesis to be true, and so forth so forth."

  • Headline by Tablizer (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @08:14PM
  • Predicting primes or predicting distribution? by ggwood (Score:2) Monday March 03 2003, @11:29PM
  • Poincaré conjecture by hak hak (Score:1) Thursday March 06 2003, @12:03PM
  • Re:Well cool by Knightfall (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @10:29AM
  • Re:New Businessplan?! by lonedfx (Score:1) Monday March 03 2003, @09:02PM
  • Re:yeah... by troemyd (Score:1) Tuesday March 04 2003, @04:09AM
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