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U.S. Independence Day is a ...

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Good time to watch fireworks
  2090 votes / 11%
Good time to set off commercial fireworks
  890 votes / 5%
Good time to set off home-made fireworks
  683 votes / 3%
Good time to fire anvils
  814 votes / 4%
Good time to ponder the rule of law and role of the State
  5311 votes / 29%
Good time to enjoy an ordinary day
  7993 votes / 44%
17781 total votes.
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  • by Anonymous Coward

    the effects of known NSA monitoring are obvious in the poll results.

    • by ArcadeMan (2766669) on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @09:03PM (#44184791)

      Or the effect of a lot of readers being in countries other than the USA.

      • by ackthpt (218170)

        Or the effect of a lot of readers being in countries other than the USA.

        Not to worry, we're spying on everyone. Equal opportunity, y'know.

      • by Tom (822)

        I've been telling people on this site for close to 10 years that not every /. reader is american. For the same amount of time, through clearly changing readerships, I've been told back that /. is an american site with american readers and american topics.

        And for most of that time it's been a lie.

        Like so many other sites on the Internet, americans certainly make up the largest single group, but most likely not the or at least not a strong majority. Europeans are more numerous both offline and on the Internet

    • by vettemph (540399)

      Yeah, where are all the homemade fireworks people?
      You guys are a bunch of mewling quims*.

      *it's vulgar, trust me.

    • by mellon (7048)

      You mean we're all suddenly obsessed with rule of law now that NSA has demonstrated that it doesn't believe in any such thing?

  • by jasnw (1913892) on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @05:27PM (#44182875)
    Good day to sleep in.
  • by niks42 (768188) on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @05:32PM (#44182953)
    day we celebrate Thanksgiving in England .. ;-)
    • Will Smith (Score:5, Funny)

      by xQx (5744) on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @08:51PM (#44184697)
      And for the rest of the world, it's A terrible film starring Will Smith.
      • It's not so terrible, I laugh my ass off every time I see Brent Spinner in the role of that hippy scientist.

        • by Bigbutt (65939)

          vs the laugh I generate when watching Brent Spiner and his wife on Night Court. :)

          [John]

      • Terrible compared to what? Transformers?

        Yes, yes... its got a bajillion plotholes, some of which you could drive an interstellar mothership through, but the eye candy is good, its got some laughs, and its kiddiesafe. I wouldn't call it terrible... just cheesy. Like Independence Day...
        • by NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @10:39PM (#44185351)
          So let me get this straight: Jeff Goldblum uses a Mac laptop to upload a virus into an ALIEN mothership's computer (using RS-232, I'm guessing) and never once do we see a dialog box about updating Adobe?

          I'm sorry, I can only suspend disbelief so far.
          • I'm in the middle of repairing a customer's old XP machine that asks for an Adobe install every time you open anything to do with Explorer - so your comment is absolutely hilarious to me right now...

            Thanks
          • I wish I had a mod point to give you on this. Single funniest interpretation of that moment I've had the pleasure of reading!
          • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

            by RR (64484)

            So let me get this straight: Jeff Goldblum uses a Mac laptop to upload a virus into an ALIEN mothership's computer (using RS-232, I'm guessing) and never once do we see a dialog box about updating Adobe?

            An artifact of its time. [imdb.com] Adobe hadn't written its updater yet. A normal computer had no dialog boxes requesting updates. Adobe didn't even own Flash back then. [adobe.com]

          • by SuperKendall (25149) on Friday July 05, 2013 @04:53PM (#44199157)

            Jeff Goldblum uses a Mac laptop to upload a virus into an ALIEN mothership's computer (using RS-232, I'm guessing) and never once do we see a dialog box about updating Adobe?

            Just what do you think he was uploading anyway...

            You never saw the upgrade notice because he was uploading the Adobe Installer!

      • by prefec2 (875483)

        It is a superb film containing all US stereotypes. Furthermore, it displays them in a grotesque scenario and distorted form, that it is more a comedy than an action movie. The best is the seriousness of the characters.

      • by jd2112 (1535857)

        And for the rest of the world, it's A terrible film starring Will Smith.

        It's not a terrible movie, it's a drinking game.
        Whenever there is a reference to a previous Sci-Fi move you take a drink.
        I've never got more than 30 minutes in before passing out drunk.

    • Cheers! [youtube.com]

  • Independence (Score:5, Insightful)

    by GrahamCox (741991) on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @05:35PM (#44182973) Homepage
    While the US celebrates its independence from European imperialism, we Europeans can use the day to wistfully dream of independence from US imperialism. Well, maybe one day....
    • by TWX (665546)
      Heh. A couple of wars and a postwar political-ideological split will tend to do that to you...
    • by plutocracysucks (2972231) on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @05:52PM (#44183157)
      Yes, but that's different. Clearly our imperialist regime is benevolent....and......we....ummm.....know what's good for everyone...... Crap. We did give everyone McDonalds and Hollywood. You're welcome!
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Shit... I dream when the US can gain independence from US imperialism. Fat chance.

      • by lxs (131946)

        Isn't that your own fault? I mean if drunk loser Boris Yeltsin could ride a tank to the Russian White House and throw out the Soviet Politburo, why can't an enterprising American do the same?

        (Hi bored NSA employee, thank you for finding my post in your extensive archives. It's a sunny day here on the other side of the planet. I hope your day is as good as mine! If I ever decide to visit your fair nation and I'm refused entry, I'm sure we'll both look back on this day and laugh.)

        • by tnk1 (899206)

          Clearly you are not Russian.

          In the US, being drunk makes you... drunk.

          In Russia, it gives you superpowers.

    • by hcs_$reboot (1536101) on Thursday July 04, 2013 @12:23AM (#44185819)

      While the US celebrates its independence from European imperialism

      *British* imperialism... Would have it been French, at least the US would have had decent bread and cheese.

    • Re:Independence (Score:4, Interesting)

      by tmosley (996283) on Thursday July 04, 2013 @08:25AM (#44187447)
      You could start by overthrowing all your leaders who bent over to take it up the ass while perpetrating something frighteningly similar to an act of war on the Bolivian government on the off chance that their president might have been LEGALLY transporting him back to his home country.

      France, Portugal, Italy, Spain, and Austria, you must all cast off your puppet governments if you don't want to become America II.
      • This act was as amazing chutzpah as when the Chinese jet and the American SIGINTS spy plane collided 12 or so years ago. Can you imagine what the US would do/feel/sulk if the Chinese were flying the same missions over 'international waters', but this time from Cuba and up the eastern seaboard ?

        It will come now.

        • by tnk1 (899206)

          The only reason the Chinese aren't flying over the Eastern seaboard is because their equipment doesn't have the range for it.

          China is still a second rate, at best, military power. The size of their forces is frightening... if you are very close to them. Outside of that, their logistical capability is utter garbage.

          China is a very real threat to those around them, which is mostly why the US is out there forward deployed. Otherwise the Japanese might start thinking they need a real military again, and that

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @06:00PM (#44183255)

    Restore the Fourth [restorethefourth.net]

  • A movie like ID4 that you shouldn't be watching because it's full of pseudo-patriotic shit.

  • by mwecksell (1178565) on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @07:20PM (#44184009)
    I, for one, look forward to exercising my 21st amendment rights.
  • by spaceyhackerlady (462530) on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @09:49PM (#44185083)

    In Canada the fourth of July is a day like any other. Our day was the first.

    I'm descended from Loyalists. My maternal ancestors settled in North Carolina, but went north, ending up in Nova Scotia.

    ...laura

  • Independence Day (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Moppusan (2837753) on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @10:14PM (#44185211)
    ...has lost all meaning. Who cares this chunk of dirt on the western hemisphere has independence from a different chunk of dirt on the eastern hemisphere? I also no longer consider this to be the United States of America. America used to mean -- to me -- a free and fair land to be proud of. Just United States now. Although I admit, better than a lot of hell holes on other parts of this spinning blue marble. Still could be better. Much better. Stop F'ing the poor and good F'ing the corporations.
    • by petes_PoV (912422)
      Eastern hemisphere? Most of England is west of the meridian.

      Oh, hang on .... you mean your current pwnership by the chinese for all things manufactured.

    • If that's the way you feel, why don't you just pack up and leave for someplace you like better? Nobody, including the government, is going to stop you.
  • by swm (171547) * <swmcd@world.std.com> on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @10:52PM (#44185415) Homepage

    I used to be proud--really proud--to be American.
    We had our problems, sure, but
    - we didn't assassinate people
    - we didn't torture people
    - we hadn't started a major war in 40 years
    - the government generally obeyed the law, and when it didn't, someone called them on it.
    We could hold ourselves out as a model for other countries.

    None of that is true any more.

    For a long time, I blamed it all on Bush and the Republicans,
    but then we elected Obama and Democrats,
    and it hasn't helped.

    Now I'm weary and ashamed, and I don't know where to go next, literally or figuratively.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Little of that was ever true. Now we just know more of it.

    • by devloop (983641) on Thursday July 04, 2013 @12:56AM (#44185935)
      - we did assassinate people, directly or through proxies, just a few high profile targets there for you:
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/21/usa.davidpallister [guardian.co.uk]

      - we did torture people, it was done so routinely that we even had a handbook:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Army_and_CIA_interrogation_manuals [wikipedia.org]

      - our normal state *is* war. i could not find a 40 year gap when we were at peace since the 1800s:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]

      i laugh when any of my fellow 'murikans asks tear eyed "why do they hate us?".

      we have been busy exerting violence, exporting torture, destabilizing democracies, sponsoring terror and exploitation
      through brutal dictatorships, forcing our corporate interests by military means on everyone, on every continent.

      we, as a people, are compassionate, inventive, giving and law abiding, our governing class is amoral, tyrannical and malevolent.
      • by tmosley (996283) on Thursday July 04, 2013 @08:36AM (#44187533)
        America was only a true beacon between the end of reconstruction and 1913. Since that time, the beacon has gotten steadily duller until now it shines with a negative light that consumes freedoms around the world.

        This is the curse of central banking. It provides the appearance of unlimited money with which politicians get to buy votes in ways they never before dreamed of. Central bankers, who always fund both sides of all wars, at the expense of the people. Without them, we would still be free. Without them, we could once again become free. Without them, governments can't grow to much more than 10% of GDP, versus the nearly 50% monster we have today.
    • by petes_PoV (912422)

      - we didn't assassinate people

      except presidents that some people didn't like (4 successful and a dozen or more attempts - making it by far the most dangerous job in the world)

      - we didn't torture people

      Really? I guess you've never watched some of your TV programmes

      - we hadn't started a major war in 40 years

      40 whole years! you must be so proud. Though you've more than made up for that recently - how many wars should a country start every century? Hint: none would be a great place to start

      - the government generally obeyed the law, and when it didn't, someone called them on it.

      Err, when it didn't want to, it just changed the law to make its actions legal - or squirmed mightily trying to explain

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      This reminds me of George Carlin's rant which I would agree with how the fu** can you be proud of something you were born into, but had nothing to do with?

      What is there to be proud of? How we dictate other countries? How the only freedoms we have are for material goods? How we have a country full of zombies that seemingly do not care about there rights, until they are charged with a capital crime. How the Brtis and French slaughtered the Native people of the land which you so conveniently call yours?

      I am be

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 03, 2013 @11:13PM (#44185515)

    when a man like Snowden is branded as a traitor instead of a hero to the people (American or not). Today it is NSA (and whatever organization or government for that matter) owning a piece of our freedom, but it is not too hard to envision a not too distant future where they will own our minds (or soul... whatever you want to call it) when the Brain-Machine Interface (BMI) takes off. It used to excite me to think about the future of BMI, but unless we start to defend our freedom, I think WE as a species are all screwed.

    • by seoras (147590) on Thursday July 04, 2013 @03:54AM (#44186505) Homepage

      Why didn't Snowden just flee to S.America?
      Why Hong Kong and then Russia?

      He's making a point and he's keeping himself in the news at the risk of being caught and treated the same as B.Manning.
      Who leaked the rumour of him being on the Bolivian Presidential Jet? Why?

      I notice the BBC dropped that story off their front page PDQ.

      As long as Snowden appears in the headlines shall we question the role of the USA (& UK puppet) globally.
      It's clear, brave and risky media manipulation to get a point across...

      What is Independence?
      What are you celebrating?
      The end of one empire and the beginning of another?

  • by YoungManKlaus (2773165) on Thursday July 04, 2013 @04:22AM (#44186545)

    to not give a fuck because I don't live in the US

  • by Ihlosi (895663) on Thursday July 04, 2013 @08:48AM (#44187619)
    ... a good day to start a revolution.

    (Hey, it worked at least once, right?)

  • Canada day was July 1st.
    Why wasn't there a poll for that?

    Should a poll be planned for Aug. 1st?
    • by mendax (114116)

      And how many Americans give a shit about Canada, eh? All we want is your oil and natural gas in Alberta. ;-) You can keep the Mounties, Quebec, and the moose and mosquitoes. Oh, but send us your health care system. At least it works.

      • They send us many patients every year. They get sick of waiting and pay out of pocket for American health care. Sure, that system 'works'.

  • as you're likely to get. It's kind of like Halloween for the masked bank robber.
  • In most countries other than the U.S.A. I believe today is burn a U.S. flag day. It's surprising how that holiday has really caught on since the late 1970s. [shakes head and sighs]
  • Today would be a good day to ponder another American Revolution, except that I'd rather not end up in Gitmo or some CIA black prison in eastern Europe being tortured. Besides, as history has shown, in nearly every case revolutions are revolting.

"Why can't we ever attempt to solve a problem in this country without having a 'War' on it?" -- Rich Thomson, talk.politics.misc

 



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