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Fictional Town "Eureka" To Become Real?

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Mon Oct 27, 2008 02:49 PM
from the next-terrorist-targets dept.
Zarath writes "The fictional town of Eureka (from the TV series by the same name) is going to potentially become a real life town as the University of Queensland, in Australia, plans to build a multibillion-dollar 'brain city' dedicated to science and research. The city, hoping to hold at least 10,000 people, is looking to attract 4,500 of the brightest scientists from around the world to live and work there. The city is planned to be built west of the city of Brisbane, in Queensland. While not funded by the Department of Defense (like the [city of the] TV series), the potential for such a community is very interesting and exciting."
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  • by eldavojohn (898314) * <my/.username@@@gmail.com> on Monday October 27 2008, @02:49PM (#25532163) Homepage Journal

    Fictional Town "Eureka" to Becomes Real?

    They forgot to link to the image for this story [icanhascheezburger.com].

  • by trailerparkcassanova (469342) on Monday October 27 2008, @02:51PM (#25532217)

    but we call ours Los Alamos...

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      but we call ours Los Alamos...

      I thought, we call it "Silicon Valley" — and it didn't need government sponsorship to come into being...

      • by haystor (102186) on Monday October 27 2008, @02:59PM (#25532329)

        I'd be betting on Los Alamos should the two ever go head to head.

      • by CRCulver (715279) <crculver@christopherculver.com> on Monday October 27 2008, @03:03PM (#25532389) Homepage

        I thought, we call it "Silicon Valley" -- and it didn't need government sponsorship to come into being...

        Without DARPA taking the initiative with public funds, there would have been no basis for many of the private companies of Silicon Valley. Even the supposedly private companies that developed innovative solutions back at the beginning relied to some extend on government support, as the US recognized the need to stay ahead in the Cold War.

        • by mi (197448) <mi+slashdot@aldan.algebra.com> on Monday October 27 2008, @03:10PM (#25532489) Homepage

          Without DARPA taking the initiative with public funds, there would have been no basis for many of the private companies of Silicon Valley.

          DARPA's money helped some, but it didn't cause the creation of Oracle, Sybase, SGI, HP, or Sun — the companies, which were developing even before Internet.

          Also, DARPA stopped funding Internet funding Internet long before the emergence of giants like Google or Cisco in the valley. Much as Statists would like to attribute good things to the State's intervention, they don't have many legs to stand on.

          • by CRCulver (715279) <crculver@christopherculver.com> on Monday October 27 2008, @03:33PM (#25532849) Homepage

            DARPA's money helped some, but it didn't cause the creation of Oracle, Sybase, SGI, HP, or Sun -- the companies, which were developing even before Internet.

            Who said the US government's role was limited to the Internet? None of those companies would have gotten anywhere without some of the advances at Bell Labs, which was kept going by government contracts.

            Much as Statists would like to attribute good things to the State's intervention, they don't have many legs to stand on.

            Your choice of terminology suggests that you're a libertarian nutjob. I wish you success in your return to the real world.

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              None of those companies would have gotten anywhere without some of the advances at Bell Labs, which was kept going by government contracts.

              That Government was/is a customer of some of those firms in no way supports the claim, they owe their existence to the it.

              Your choice of terminology suggests that you're a libertarian nutjob.

              Aye-aye-aye! Name-calling — how sad... Given the government's wonderful successes in education, highway upkeep, and pensions — wanting it to also expand into healthcare

              • by osu-neko (2604) on Monday October 27 2008, @04:02PM (#25533305)

                Aye-aye-aye! Name-calling — how sad... Given the government's wonderful successes in education, highway upkeep, and pensions — wanting it to also expand into healthcare — whose mental faculties are we supposed to question?

                Anyone who has an "all-or-nothing" mentality. Anyone who points to a few government successes and concludes the government has a Midas touch for making things work is clearly an idiot. Anyone who points to a few government failures and concludes the government never does anything right is equally idiotic. Sane and rational people look at the specifics of a proposal and decide whether it's a good idea or not, rather than immediately conclude it's a good idea or a bad idea based on whether it involves government or not.

              • The first tenant at the famed Stanford Research Park was Varian, and the government was at the time Varian's only customer. Many of the other spin-offs were organized around government-funded research labs, many also at/near Stanford, the most famous of which was probably Engelbart's lab (which invented the mouse).

                • by RustinHWright (1304191) on Monday October 27 2008, @06:58PM (#25535373) Homepage Journal
                  A.) You were promulgating a bit of disinformation that gets stronger every time it gets repeated in a public place.

                  B.) You were creating an implied equivalancy between two "equally ridiculous", "equally false" public statements. Which isn't so nice when one of those statements not only isn't equivalently false but was, in fact, used as a key part of a still ongoing and successful campaign to establish and maintain the larger and equally false supposed equivalency between the level of lying and overall fraud between Democrats and Republicans.

                  After years as a policy guy trying to change behavior through reason I came to the sad conclusion that behavior is, in fact, largely determined not by fact but by perception and that many of the most destructive false perceptions are those spread mostly under the cover of "I'm just joking", which is no different from the frat boy who hits one of the "nerds" in the face, knocking him down, and then claims that the nerd has no legitimate grounds to be angry, let alone fight back. After all, "I was just messing with you".

                  Sorry, I have no opinion of nor much interest in your intent; I post in response to expected consequences. /. is still one of the biggest fora on the web and I reserve the right to cut down the damage that you'll do rather than limiting myself to only what *you* consider accountable behavior.
        • by mikael (484) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:45PM (#25533067)

          Back in the 1980's, the BBC produced a Horizon documentary, which covered the growth of Silicon Valley. The first company was Fairchild Semiconductor, which then formed many offshoot companies, and that tradition continued until there were hundreds of companies. In many cases, research funding was provided to the universities to solve various problems, which then allowed the students and staff to set up their own companies once the project was finished.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        No, Silicon Valley is where we send all the losers who think that they're geniuses.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Nah, just corporate welfare in the form of juicy defense contracts. Oh, did you think people just got together one day to build computers for which there was no commercial market from the goodness of their hearts? Oh, and what's this Internet thing all about? How did it start?
        Hmmm. I think you're an idiot. Go pave your own highway system to drive on too while you're at it.

      • To be fair, while Silicon Valley wasn't exactly a planned community, its history isn't all flowers and anarcho-capitalist free enterprise.

        NASA Ames Research Center, Various California State universities, and gigantic piles of federal research money are deeply involved there. Silicon Valley is interesting in that there is a lot of entrepreneurial activity with largely civilian application that exists as well(unlike, say, Los Alamos, which is pretty much military R&D); but it is an OMG triumph of Free
      • by aero6dof (415422) <aero6dof@yahoo.com> on Monday October 27 2008, @03:35PM (#25532893) Homepage

        but we call ours Los Alamos...

        I thought, we call it "Silicon Valley" — and it didn't need government sponsorship to come into being...

        Hmm, I think you're forgetting that if you trace back further Silicon Valley has connections with the Space and Military programs - here [cnet.com] and here [wikipedia.org]. I think I'd conclude that there's a complex set of influences favoring the creation of Silicon Valley.

        But, hey, don't let me get in the way of a good "private industry is inherently more efficient" fantasy...

    • by Bill_the_Engineer (772575) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:14PM (#25532529)

      Don't forget Huntsville, AL (Cummings Research Park), and it's second in size compared to Triangle Research Park in North Carolina.

      • In a perfect world, distributed networks might be a bit safer(though the odds of researchers being attacked have historically been very low, unless they've had the bad luck of pissing off the animal-rightists recently. Most other anti-science outfits tend either to be tiny in scale, like the unibomber, more interested in PR, like the creationists, er. "intelligent design theorists", or much more interested in things other than technology, like your standard islamic radicals.) The trouble is that the ability
      • by seriv (698799) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:51PM (#25533155)
        From the nuclear weapons perspective, the knowledge is distributed, but only slightly; a great deal of the infrastructure for the production and maintenance of nuclear weapons lies in a few towns with DOE-funded national laboratories. There isn't a single point of failure exactly, but a great deal of arcane and classified knowledge rests in each spot on specific subjects, such as the design knowledge in Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore. A great deal of the needed nuclear materials are in just a few spots too, such as Oak Ridge (Y-12 [wikipedia.org] describes itself as the "'Fort Knox' for highly enriched uranium"). Obviously, each of these spots have intense security, but if a few of these spots were really hit hard, the US's nuclear program would be crippled for a long period.
  • Birth rate (Score:5, Funny)

    by DrYak (748999) on Monday October 27 2008, @02:52PM (#25532221) Homepage

    A town entirely full of science geeks ?
    Well, at least they shouldn't expect a very high birth rate...

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 27 2008, @03:00PM (#25532335)

      The problem with this city is that it is far too large. The largest that you can build a stable "brain" city is 5,000. After that point, interference from the various doomsday machines under its soil will make its imminent destruction more and more certain.

    • But the kids that are born.... I wouldn't want to compete with them to get into a college.

      • by snspdaarf (1314399) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:17PM (#25532585)
        Two of the smartest people I have ever met married and began cranking out kids. They now have one of the biggest collection of marginal morons you have ever seen. Nice kids, yes. Well behaved kids, yes. But they don't have the sense God gave a herd of cows. All I can figure is that the parents IQ waves were 180 degrees out of phase. Either that, or they are putting on one helluva show when company is around.
      • Re:Birth rate (Score:4, Interesting)

        by rmadmin (532701) <rmalek@homeco d e . o rg> on Monday October 27 2008, @03:18PM (#25532605) Homepage
        Actually, they've found a very high rate of autism coming from the children in silicon valley. :(
            • Re:Birth rate (Score:5, Informative)

              by ShadowRangerRIT (1301549) on Monday October 27 2008, @04:16PM (#25533481)

              Autism rates are up all over North America. Lots of research points to the ridiculous amount of cocktail vaccines that are now given to children. The drugs are approved in isolation but handed out mixed together and no one knows what happens when you combine them.

              Research points to no such thing. Anecdotes point to that. And unfortunately, since autism symptoms appear right around the same time that the vaccines are administered, you get a lovely case of post hoc, ergo propter hoc [wikipedia.org]. Spreading out the vaccines is more likely to reduce the correlation by delaying the vaccines past the point where symptoms occur, and creating periods in a child's life where they are vulnerable to diseases that deafen, deform or kill them.

              The far more likely hypothesis is better screening (and in some cases, false diagnoses) increasing the observed rate. In many cases, one or both parents have a familial history of autistic symptoms, but the lack of a described and well known disorder during their childhood meant they were never diagnosed. The increased incidence in Silicon Valley is likely linked to this; tech geeks tend to fall on the autistic end of the spectrum, so a whole community of tech geeks marrying tends to increase the odds of autistic children.

  • Hmm... good idea... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by abroadwin (1273704) on Monday October 27 2008, @02:53PM (#25532235)
    ...keep all of our best and brightest in one location. What could possibly go wrong?
  • by bornyesterday (888994) on Monday October 27 2008, @02:54PM (#25532241) Homepage
  • by omfglearntoplay (1163771) on Monday October 27 2008, @02:54PM (#25532247)

    Because it is fairly isolated. If it gets blown up, space-time torn, or radiated, there is less chance of contamination to other continents.

  • One of the most interesting decisions in Soviet science was the establishment of Akademgorodok, an enclave outside Novosibirsk dedicated entirely to scientists (see e.g. Josephson's New Atlantis Revisited [amazon.com] published by Princeton University Press). I don't understand why that wasn't more popular in Western countries. Maybe sciences move ahead when you give scientists peace, a sense of respect and dignity, and ability to manage their own work. Of course, generous funding is essential, lest it all go down the tubes.
    • by Chukcha (787065) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:09PM (#25532475)

      Western countries didn't have Stalin's paranoia. Stalin moved so many scientists to Akademgorodok (Academic Village) in deep Siberia in order to segregate and more easily control them.

      Oh, and they did breed. Some of the smartest young Russians I've met were born and raised in Akademgorodok.

    • by DeadDecoy (877617) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:11PM (#25532495)
      I think we already have something like this to the degree that it can exist and they're called universities. I actually think this isn't a very good idea. The premise is that smart people are naturally gifted and if, herded into a small enclosure, will develop good things. The true value of smart people, however, is not the gadgets they can develop, but the education they can distribute to their surrounding communities. If the city does not train new minds, or allow the 'less intelligent' to be trained, then it will probably stifle the growth of intellectual resources. If it does do research and train you people who show sufficient academic prowess, then it's simply a university town.
  • goodluckwiththat (Score:5, Insightful)

    by owlnation (858981) on Monday October 27 2008, @02:56PM (#25532281)
    So... you want intelligent people to move to Australia?

    This, being the same Australia that's introducing filtering and censorship to its entire Internet?

    Yeah, good luck with that... Oh, and enjoy your forthcoming Dark Age.
  • by Shaitan Apistos (1104613) on Monday October 27 2008, @02:57PM (#25532303)

    I haven't seen the show, so forgive me if the writers have handled my objections in some clever fashion in one of the episodes, but..

    I don't see the upside to this, it's easier now than ever before for people to collaborate remotely, negating much of the need for being in the same physical location.

    I do see a downside to this, putting all our intellectual eggs in one basket makes a pretty attractive target for terrorists, whether they be Islamic, Luddite, or some other group in the future that isn't particularly keen on progress or reason as a means of dealing with reality.

  • by aapold (753705) on Monday October 27 2008, @02:58PM (#25532307) Homepage Journal
    The city is planned to be built west of the city of Brisbane, in Queensland.

    Instead of building it west of Brisbane, they should build it east of Brisbane, where they can be free from outside influence.
  • by Moridineas (213502) on Monday October 27 2008, @02:58PM (#25532319) Journal

    Sounds a bit like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademgorodok [wikipedia.org] except actually open and international. (also not in Siberia)

  • by Kohath (38547) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:01PM (#25532357)

    Towns and cities are located and populated naturally. Towns are near a river or a port or an important crossroads. Or they grew up from nothing over the course of many decades. The people that live there settled there for natural reasons, usually related to jobs and opportunity.

    Towns can be created artificially. Almost every attempt to do it is a failure though. Success usually takes HUGE amounts of money and some other factor to draw people to the location. This one claims to have the money, but they probably don't have enough. And it seems to lack any other incentive to draw folks there.

  • by Faw (33935) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:02PM (#25532373)

    ...and let scientist do research in any field they want without goverment intervention. What could go wrong?

  • you'll get a town full of people who have a desperate and ego-driven need to be seen as smart

    kind of like joining mensa. anyone who needs that sort of attention and reinforcement is not exactly niels bohr

    the smart guys in any room are always low key and in the back, not attention whores

  • by MindlessAutomata (1282944) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:11PM (#25532493)

    Wait, wasn't this a castle, and not a city? I don't recall those muppets as being exceptionally brilliant. Most scientists don't have magical worldviews, either.

  • by east coast (590680) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:18PM (#25532597)
    Why is it that years into this concept we still have people with such a fixation on the geographic side of things?

    Los Alamos made sense in the day where even simple telephones were unreliable and getting large amounts of documentation from team to team would take hours if not days and there would be no real accounting for the integrity of them once they got there. But today this kind of thing is sadly out of touch with technology. Not to mention that there is a presumption that a great number of high end scientists will get along under one roof. This is doubtful, at best.
    • Not entirely true (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Weaselmancer (533834) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:01PM (#25532355)

      I thought nerds preferred the cold dark of their parents basements or garages, to any kind of socialization?

      Not entirely true. Geeks love to be around geeks, and only get awkward in the general population. We nerds are highly gregarious whenever we're in friendly company.

      As an example go check out a gaming convention.

      BTW, I think this town sounds like a lot of fun. I'm probably not bright/geeky enough to be invited to live there, but it would be cool to visit. I'm betting it would be worth it just for all the little inside jokes you'd see around. I'll bet the graffiti alone would be worth it.

    • Re:Eureka (Score:5, Funny)

      by 93 Escort Wagon (326346) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:03PM (#25532397)

      I thought nerds preferred the cold dark of their parents basements or garages, to any kind of socialization?

      Didn't you read the summary? They're "looking to attract 4,500 of the brightest scientists from around the world" for a city that's supposed "to hold at least 10,000 people". So obviously they're accounting for all the parents as well.

    • Re:Eureka (Score:5, Interesting)

      by OldeTimeGeek (725417) on Monday October 27 2008, @03:20PM (#25532635)
      An amusing meme, but far from the truth. From a history of Los Alamos Lab [lanl.gov]:

      One resident recalled that "the Hill dwellers were amateur everything: hikers, riders, photographers, ethnographers, mineralogists, musicians, and artists-craftsmen in all assorted fields. Saturday nights they partied and square danced. Sundays they fished or exploited their hobbies."

      The parties were frequent and well attended. Resident Jean Bacher recalled that "Saturday nights, the mesa rocked... fenced in as we were, our social life was a pipeline through which we let off steam."


      Some of the most brilliant minds of the last century seemed perfectly capable of having fun together and blowing off steam. Maybe this time there will be more LAN parties than square dances, but people will figure out how to get together.