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Atom-Thick Balloon Inflated

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Fri Aug 08, 2008 03:13 PM
from the only-a-little-hot-air dept.
Anonymous Cow writes "Researchers have inflated gas-filled balloons of graphene, the atom-thick carbon material being used to make super-small transistors. Apart from giving them a valid claim to be in the Guinness Book of Records, it could apparently be handy for weighing microscopic objects. 'The sheets were used to seal microscopic wells made in a layer of silica glass, forming a kind of drum head. The membranes were held in place only by the van der Waals forces that make things sticky at microscopic scales. The wells varied from 1 to 100 square micrometers in area and 250 nanometers to 3 micrometers deep.'"
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  • Great! (Score:5, Funny)

    by ArcherB (796902) on Friday August 08 2008, @03:15PM (#24531191) Journal

    Just Friggin Great!
    Now my kid's going to want one of THESE tied to her wrist!

  • (((pop))) (Score:4, Funny)

    by isomeme (177414) <cberry@cine.net> on Friday August 08 2008, @03:16PM (#24531201) Homepage Journal

    This will immediately lead to a companion record for the world's quietest popping sound when one of them has a weak point.

  • .. on making balloon animals. Let's see how creative balloon sculptors can get with these!
  • consumer uses (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jgarra23 (1109651) on Friday August 08 2008, @03:21PM (#24531295)

    this will be the thinnest condom ever!

    • Re:consumer uses (Score:4, Insightful)

      by thermian (1267986) on Friday August 08 2008, @03:24PM (#24531335)

      this will be the thinnest condom ever!

      That's not as daft as you might think, for many people the stated reason for not using condoms is lack of sensitivity caused by their thickness.

      Were there a way to reduce thickness to this extent, there would be a huge amount of money to be made.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Were there a way to reduce thickness to this extent, there would be a huge amount of money to be made.

        In lawsuits when they break. One atom thick? That's makes for some pretty sharp edges of busted condom to have in sensitive places for both parties.

        • Re:consumer uses (Score:4, Informative)

          by thermian (1267986) on Friday August 08 2008, @03:43PM (#24531617)

          At that level I think you'll find that connection strength is somewhat strong.

          • Re:consumer uses (Score:5, Informative)

            by ardle (523599) on Friday August 08 2008, @03:49PM (#24531675)
            And so are the van der Waals forces.
            • by thermian (1267986) on Friday August 08 2008, @03:56PM (#24531765)

              What! Who let the physicists in?

              Listen you, this is the internets, we can't be dealing with your smug 'fundamental laws of the universe' stuff.

              If it don't explode, or have boobies, it ain't interesting, YOU GOT THAT!!!!!

              • Well, I think the grandparent post is making the implication that due to substantial van der Waals forces (the forces that hold sheets of graphene together as graphite, as well as the forces most responsible for making sticky things sticky), a graphene monolayer condom would be sort of like covering your penis in double-sided adhesive tape. I'm going to make the argument that this little factoid could, under the right (wrong?) circumstances, could conceivably fall in both categories deemed interesting to t
                • by thermian (1267986) on Friday August 08 2008, @05:58PM (#24533027)

                  I was going to construct an elegant and incisive rebuttal to your comment, but your use of the term 'graphene monolayer' confused me, and I find myself resorting to a response of lower intellectual calibre.

                  To whit

                  "So's your face"

                  I am reliably informed that this always works, therefore I win..

                • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

                  except of course it's totaly erroneous anyway, as the thickness of the johnny doesn't mean it's any closer to your skin, which is the important factor in any Van der Waals interaction.
                • a graphene monolayer condom would be sort of like covering your penis in double-sided adhesive tape.

                  Soft silicon is often used for sex toys, and when very clean and dry they are also very sticky. As soon as you add a few drops of lubricant, that stickiness vanishes. I'd imagine that it would be the same with a graphene condom. Van der Waals forces don't have much range, so a few microns layering of Glycerin should make that a none issue.

                  Is there any reason why van der Waals forces would be any strong f
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          I'm not a physicist or whatever engineer that deals with sharp edges of materials, but doesn't the material have to be hard (or have some other property) in order to pose a risk for cutting. For example when a piece of latex, the edges of broken part would be "sharp" (very thin) but since the material is flimsy it would bend before causing damage to other materials. I guess my point is there is a different between thin and sharp.

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            You are right. There is difference between thin and sharp, at least in the context you are putting it in. In Geology it would not matter how thin the edge is of a rock. If it was lower on the Moh's scale than the other material, it would not cut it.

            As for the poster that mentioned paper, well the edge of piece of paper is probably harder than human skin.

            • And thanks to the current thread subject, I just got the horrible thought of a long paper cut on my glans penis. Ouch!

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)


        That's not as daft as you might think, for many people the stated reason for not using condoms is lack of sensitivity caused by their thickness.

        Were there a way to reduce thickness to this extent, there would be a huge amount of money to be made.

        You're 100% right & I knew that as I posted- it's a common topic with me & gf since she (understandably) isn't too cool with hormone-based contraceptives.

        • I never quite understood how "the pill" got so popular to begin with. Messing with your hormones is not a good idea. When so many other good methods exist, it's a miracle that women actually want to take medication, and mess with their bodies, to prevent having kids.
          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            For many women, it helps regulate what can be a very erratic menstrual cycle. Some women also experience a lightening of the cycle because the pill evens out their hormones. At the time, it was also by far the most effective method of birth control, as the proper use of the pill is much more common than proper use of condoms and even when it's not quite properly used, it's still much more effective than no condom at all.

          • I never quite understood how "the pill" got so popular to begin with. Messing with your hormones is not a good idea. When so many other good methods exist, it's a miracle that women actually want to take medication, and mess with their bodies, to prevent having kids.

            All methods have their issues:

            IUDs- near impossible to convince a doctor to give you unless you are married and have had children already (chance of damaging the uterus)

            Tubal ligation- Most doctors will not perform on a nulparous woman. Expensive.

            Diaphragms/caps/sponges- difficult to insert, messy (some require lots of spermicide), lack of spontaneity, not as effective as IUDs and hormonal BC

            Condoms- perceived loss of sensation, sometimes ill-fitting, chance of breakage, sensitivities to ingredient

              • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                Of course if you don't want pills because you don't think they're safe, then IMHO it does not make much sense to want an IUD if doctors don't think they're safe enough for you...

                Of course there can be other reasons for not wanting pills than just "safety", in which case above does not apply.

          • My mother was and still is an ardent feminist and among the early adopters of the Pill in Canada. Over the years, I have been able to learn her, and by extension other women's reasons for jumping on the Pill bandwagon so avidly.

            First, the Pill really hit it's stride in the late 60's when it seemed like chemistry had the answers to most of life's ills.* Doctors were prescribing incredible numbers of new medications for problems that used to be considered part of life's burdens. Stressed out trying to keep

            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              Of course, abstaining from sex is an ideal solution.

              No it's not, it's far from ideal. Abstaining from sex completely has a lot of side effects, including reduced pleasure in life, which can lead to higher stress levels or reduced happiness. Also it can lead to difficulties in having a healthy, stable relationship, which again can have negative social and emotional effects.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        Why wait? Just make your own! [technologyreview.com]

        One common technique is called the "Scotch tape method," in which a piece of tape is used to peel graphene flakes off of a chunk of graphite, which is essentially a stack of graphene sheets

        not sure how to make that into a functioning prophylactic, but the methods and materials to make graphene are readily available.

    • by DeadDecoy (877617) on Friday August 08 2008, @03:33PM (#24531471)
      At

      1 to 100 square micrometers in area and 250 nanometers to 3 micrometers deep

      I'm sure it'll be perfect for you.

  • by peipas (809350) on Friday August 08 2008, @03:22PM (#24531303)

    Your girlfriend is skeptical you were ever wearing an "atom-thick condom" to begin with.

  • From TFA:

    using sticky tape to peel layers from a chunk of graphite.

    The author must have small kids, or eclectic tastes in television shows.

    • Meh, at least this is more believable then using sticky tape to repair the steering wheel on a pirate ship.
  • Gas did leak in or out over several days, but the researchers discovered that it was leaving through the glass, not the membranes.

    Ok, the membrane is one atom thick. Now said membrane is holding in a gas of atoms. Since atoms are mostly empty space, why doesn't the gas atoms pass through the membrane?

    • Well, a chunk of steel is made of atoms, and when you start looking at the atoms, even a chunk of steel is mostly empty space. There's probably something to do with the polarity (I made that up) that keeps the air molecules from leaking through the membrane, kind of like how water and oil repel eachother.
    • Re:Wait a minute (Score:5, Informative)

      by jfengel (409917) on Friday August 08 2008, @03:38PM (#24531545) Homepage Journal

      Think of it this way: a lawnmower is mostly empty space. Care to stick your hand in one?

      In the Bohr model you can think of it as the electrons zipping around and eventually coming within the zone populated by the electrons in membrane. Remember, the electron has an area of influence considerably bigger than the electron itself. And the entire outer surface of an atom/molecule is coated with electrons in a cloud much larger than the n, so the net effect is of a negative charge (unless some electrons are missing, in which case you get chemical reactions). Those negative charges repel.

      What's actually going on is much weirder and more complex; the electron is kind of "smeared out" rather than zipping from place to place. But you get the gist.

  • Bubble Wrap (Score:5, Funny)

    by wideBlueSkies (618979) * on Friday August 08 2008, @03:25PM (#24531355) Journal

    This is great, we now have the capacity to create bubble wrap, suitable for packing/protecting nanobots.

    Awesome stuff folks.

  • Impemeable to gases (Score:5, Informative)

    by WalksOnDirt (704461) on Friday August 08 2008, @03:28PM (#24531419)

    The linked article claims the graphene is impermeable to gases, but didn't say exactly which gases. This article says that even the smallest gases can't get through, not even helium: http://www.photonics.com/content/news/2008/August/8/92805.aspx [photonics.com]

    • So as I understand it, one of the big issues with hydrogen as a fuel is that it leaks really easily...

      So we line the tank with this stuff and the H2 gas won't escape anywhere except the valve.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        Heck, you could make the tank out of graphene. Graphene can stand incredible pressures, as graphene has a Young's modulus of 0.5 TPa. That's 0.5 TERAPASCALS.
      • I'm curious how hydrogen bonding would work with this. Graphene honeycomb materials may even be able to improve the density of compressed hydrogen, which would get us past one of the hurdles of using hydrogen gas. Of course, you also have to have a technique to release the gas, too.

  • ... just had a wet dream.
  • and suck out all the air (vaccuum) it should lift better than ANYTHING

      -- imagine not the lifting power of helium or hydrogen, but the lifting power of vaccuum...

    • ...............

      As it's quitting time, I really don't feel like explaining how very wrong that is. I'm sure someone else will.

    • Regardless of whether you really could fill a balloon with vacuum, a balloon made of graphene would still have some pretty awesome lifting power, because graphene weighs a lot less. BTW, a balloon made of single graphene sheet might be considered a buckyball.
  • The article doesn't say. Did they control the pressure in those little pits with temperature, I wonder?
  • ... how much water [wikipedia.org] you can get into one of them.

  • by wisebabo (638845) on Saturday August 09 2008, @04:48AM (#24536053) Journal

    Am I the only one to instantly think upon seeing this article that this may be the perfect Solar Sail material? IF they can make this on a LARGE scale (meters or kilometers square), it has got to have close to the lowest weight to surface area ratio of any possible material. Even if it is not reflective ("carbon black"?), it would still work by adsorbing photons (it would still gain momentum). Heating may be a problem but it should also radiate heat equally well.

    Micrometeorites and high energy particles would surely put many nano-micro sized holes in it but that should only decrease the efficiency slightly. The overall structure should stay intact even with many many holes because of the immense tensile strength; the article said it could handle several atmosphere's of pressure.

    So could this be the ultimate solar sail material (perhaps with a spray on coating of aluminum atoms if the reflectivity is worth the added weight)? With a rigging of carbon nano-tubes it makes theoretical solar sail designs so efficient that perhaps interstellar journeys are practical!