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Self-Healing System Applied to Aviation
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on Mon May 19, 2008 12:05 PM
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ScienceDaily is reporting that the self-healing materials are being used in some new aircraft designs. We covered several self-healing systems in the past months, but it is nice to see it starting to find practical applications. "This simple but ingenious technique, similar to the bruising and bleeding/healing processes we see after we cut ourselves, has been developed by aerospace engineers at Bristol University, with funding from the Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC). It has potential to be applied wherever fibre-reinforced polymer (FRP) composites are used. These lightweight, high-performance materials are proving increasingly popular not only in aircraft but also in car, wind turbine and even spacecraft manufacture. The new self-repair system could therefore have an impact in all these fields."
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Planes were always self healing (Score:5, Funny)
Better than self healing... (Score:2, Funny)
Potential (Score:5, Interesting)
Since I am far from an expert on the subject... what are the chances this same technology could be applied to prosthetics? If that were doable, I think it'd be an excellent market for allowing people to use prosthetics and be able to do more rigorous physical work.
Might cut down on the profits of companies that make prosthetics, though, if the things just fix themselves instead of needing to be replaced. :)
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Have you seen this boy? (Score:3, Insightful)
If it bleeds ... (Score:2, Funny)
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So... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Obligatory (Score:2)
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Currently (Score:3, Interesting)
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That chromate conversion does sound awesome, but is that useful outside of cosmetic applications? (self-repairing bumpers and rims, anyone?)
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I'm not an expert in this but I believe the chromates the OP is referring to are the type typically used as corrosion inhibitors. If you've ever been inside military airplane, you might have noticed the bright green paint used on the interior. That's zinc chromate. You can see how a anti-corrosion layer which could self-repair would be of great use in harsh environments or safety-critical applications.
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Jeeze, that one reads like it was posted by an ESL dropout. Please pardon the typos and grammatical errors; my excuse is that I was posting in a hurry because I was at work.
Yeah, I know--lousy excuse...
A possible step back (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:A possible step back (Score:5, Funny)
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I don't think they intended this to be a long term solution to aircraft damage, but rather keep the airplane in the air until it can land safely and then the ground crew can make long term repairs.
Not for fibre-reinforced polymers (Score:5, Insightful)
This self-healing mechanism essentially injects new polymer into the crack thus reseating the fiber within the polymer, sealing the polymer dislocations, and restoring the polymer's ability to transfer load between fibers. The dye to indicate a failure is to catch an inspector's attention just in case the stresses exceeded the fiber's breaking strength (e.g. from a rock or birdstrike). The presence of the dye does not in itself indicate the part is now substantially weaker than a new part (aside from the self-repair mechanism being used up).
Yes, the "healing" polymer is probably not as strong as the original polymer. But because of the nature of the failure mechanisms I've described above, any FRP already has plenty of leeway for polymer failure built into it. If it didn't, the material would be incredibly susceptible to fatigue failure after just a few load cycles.
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I'm no engineer, but wouldn't the use of new self-healing polymers be inferior to a mechanical failsafe or backups.
Mechanical failsafe? Backup? Okay Mr. No Engineer, perhaps you could explain how you provide a backup for a monocoque wing skin?
Aircraft are often partly glued together and the technique can be used in cars as well [sae.org]
, I guess the Loremo actually uses some glued aluminum, or so I believe I've seen in some of their propaganda before.
If you had an epoxy or something that would automatically squirt itself into fatigue cracks in aluminum, then air/UV harden, it would be a major blow for freedom. Now, write tha
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world war 2 (Score:2, Informative)
Sealing != healing (Score:2)
The healing is at a micro level (ie fixing tiny stress cracks in the material). THis wouldnot fix bullet holes.
Quite clever, actually. (Score:5, Interesting)
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You have a problem flying in a toaster? If it's good enough for Star Buck, it's good enough for you.
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Still, probably better than the explosive decompressions one gets with aluminum.
Back in the old days, a good agent for finding these problems was the tar from cigarette smoke. If a small hole or crack occurred, the sludge from accumulated smoke would seep out of the crack under pressure and produce a visible stain. The crack would often self seal, althoug
The Human Airplane (Score:2)
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similar to the bruising and bleeding... (Score:5, Funny)
Speak for yourself, emo kid.
As long as we've taken some precautions.... (Score:2, Funny)
Sign that I need glasses (Score:2, Funny)
Half healed plane falls to the ground anyway (Score:2)
This is not self-healing (Score:2)
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Not necessarily! (Score:2)
I would want to see comparative tests, with materials of THE SAME MASS... which means the unfilled composites would be thicker or denser. THEN compare whether the "healing" really gains anything,
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Re:One concern with this system (Score:5, Funny)
This is my friend article, I don't believe you've met before.
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Hey look, that not only makes sense, but it is actually a genuine comment on communist society. WOW!
Re:One concern with this system (Score:5, Insightful)
Airplanes aren't like cars; cars are mass-produced, throwaway items that seldom see more than 10-15 years of use. Yes, there *are* 30 year old cars, but they represent a rather small fraction of the actual cars in day-to-day use.
Airplanes, on the other hand, are in a different category. Airplanes are all-but hand made. They are very expensive, so it's usually cheaper to fix an existing plane than to buy a new one. I got my pilot's license in a 1971 Cessna 172 that was older than I am. This isn't a particularly old plane, C-172s go all the way back to 1955 or so, and there isn't a whole lot that changed in the plane characteristics from 1959 to 2006 - mostly just newer instrumentation and a few minor tweaks.
Since we can be fairly certain that many (most?) of airplanes made today will be flying 40 years from now, how well does this "self healing" work then? Composites are much more sensitive to extreme temperatures - how well does it "heal" at below freezing? (typical of high altitudes, as well as high lattitudes)
Aviation is very risk averse - KISS is the rule of survival! Most planes are leaned MANUALLY just to avoid the possibility that some little spring in the carburetor would die while flying over mountains to the detriment of the plane occupants.
Yes, even though I'm a technocrat, I remain a bit skeptical.
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Carbon fiber is far more resilient than aluminum. but it when it does break it breaks catastrophically. Minor cracks can grow. This system patches the minor cracks to begin with thus allowing the system to be patched later properly.
Re:Welcome! (Score:5, Funny)
You know the great thing about bleeding robots? Put enough holes in them and they die just as easily as humans.
We (the human resistance) will remember your allegiances when we send in the full S.W.A.T. team with heavy weaponry and body armor.
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