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NASA Plans Lunar Mobile Phone Network

Posted by samzenpus on Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:34 PM
from the dark-side-of-the-moon-minutes-cost-more-money dept.
If NASA and the British National Space Centre succeed in their 'MoonLite mission' you won't be able to say, "In space no one can hear your ringtone." They plan on building a satellite system/phone network that would provide full four-bar signal coverage for colonists living in the base NASA wants to build at the south pole of the moon after 2020.
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  • A couple of hundred thousand miles away is a lot of roaming.
      • by EgoWumpus (638704) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @02:23PM (#22478560)

        I find it amusing that just this morning I read that the Air Force is in an uproar about needing $100B dollars over the next five years [omaha.com], just to prevent it's fleet from becoming anything less than cutting-edge.

        Yet, NASA receives a mere $16.2B per year [nasa.gov] - and even with planned increases will not exceed the amount the Air Force is asking for in addition to what it already gets.

        In short; I find it ridiculous that you can call anything "obsolete" that is barely funded, but has a much more sophisticated task to do. When NASA is as well funded as the Air Force, and can still not perform to par, then you can complain about it being obsolete.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          I also think that is sad, however I do hope that most of the people here realize that a large part of the space program is funded by the Airforce. A huge number of satellites and other things are put up there by they the fly boys.
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          Obviously maintaining a military that can obliterate the planet is much more important than a cellular phone network on the moon, feeding the hungry, adding more jobs to the economy that earn above minimum wage, or providing universal health care.

          I wonder if it would be this hard to have a battle with the core of Al-Qaeda if it wasn't so obvious that fighting the US military head-on is a futile effort in the long-term. This whole, war on terrorism shit probably would have been dealt with by now... instead
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            I used the airforce in part because I saw an article regarding it, but in part because it's job - a government aeronautic agency - is probably as similar to NASA as any other government program. You are correct; they are not identical. But note that my goal was to examine the scope of what we're dealing with; you can't say that NASA isn't doing it's job when it gets, in the grand scheme of things, a pittance to do what it needs to do. There are other government agencies, though, whom we barely question when

  • by Joe The Dragon (967727) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:36PM (#22476894)
    $20+ a meg and $5 a text and $100 for 60 min of talk time
    • yeah, but I think that will come out to .02 a meg, .005 a text, and .1 for 60 minutes of talk in the petro-dollars we will be using in 2020.
      • by Ernesto Alvarez (750678) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:49PM (#22477126) Homepage Journal

        yeah, but I think that will come out to .02 a meg, .005 a text, and .1 for 60 minutes of talk in the petro-euros we will be using in 2020.


        You seem to be having a problem with your keyboard.
        Anyway, I corrected the text for you.
        • by Amouth (879122) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @01:23PM (#22477658)

          yeah, but I think that will come out to .02 a meg, .005 a text, and .1 for 60 minutes of talk in the Renminbi we will be using in 2020.


          You seem to be having a problem with your keyboard.
          Anyway, I corrected the text for you.
          Fixed again

            • yeah, but I think that will come out to .02 a meg, .005 a text, and .1 for 60 minutes of talk in the Karma Points we will be using in 2020.

              o/~ Proud cascade keep on rollin'... o/~

    • Tell me the 60 min of "talk time" doesn't include the wasted time spent waiting for the message to reach the moon, get a response and head back.

      I could see it as something of a quarky attraction "talk to the moon: call 2-XXX...) to help fund research. But really what colonist is going to want to be in the middle of digging up dirt only to stop and answer a phone with some silly questions like "what's the weather like up there?"
  • Figures... (Score:5, Funny)

    by framauro13 (1148721) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:38PM (#22476914)
    Great. The Moon will have better coverage than my current Sprint plan. I bet their data plan will be cheaper too.
  • In space (Score:5, Funny)

    by antifoidulus (807088) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:38PM (#22476916) Homepage Journal
    noone can hear you now!
  • 4 bars? (Score:5, Funny)

    by KublaiKhan (522918) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:39PM (#22476942) Homepage Journal
    There's only going to be four bars to provide coverage on the moon?

    It had better be a small colony, then. Or they'd better be really big bars, hopefully without annoyingly trendy kitsch, and hopefully with some really good whiskey.
  • Revive the program with proper budgeting and set up a colony.

    Unless you want to sell AnyTime Lunar Minutes to other countries that would already be there.

  • GSM or CDMA?

    (I had to ask)
  • Lagggg (Score:5, Interesting)

    by NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:41PM (#22476980) Homepage
    I wonder how long it takes your brain to adapt to talking to somebody when there's a 1-second+ delay each way? I've had conversations via satellite that seemed to have about a 1/2 second round-trip delay, and it was annoying as hell for the first few minutes.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      I think you'd just have to take more time and be more thoughtful about cutting someone off, getting exciting and interjecting a comment randomly, etc... all the stuff people normally do in conversations. Hey, if I were a colonist I'd take a 1+ second voice delay over only being able to use email to communicate with friends/family back on Earth.
    • Well, my brother in law lives in the UK and whenever he phones - depending on the quality of the line (I live in South Africa) - we often get 1sec+ delays during conversations. Often the conversation disintegrates into "Huh?"Yeah I was say...""Oh, sorry...""Hold on you go first" pause "Right as I was saying..."

      You have to learn to listen until the other person has finished saying what they were saying before replying. It's actually good for conversing because you are forced to really listening to the other
  • Unless Obama wins (Score:5, Informative)

    by MagPulse (316) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:41PM (#22476984)
    He'll delay Constellation for five years (pdf link, go to the last page) [barackobama.com], which will result in layoffs for all the people we'd need to get to the moon, and then we'll have to go try to re-hire them. Meanwhile the designs are being done now, so the plans will just sit for 5 years going out of date. Brilliant. And what will the money be used for? Saving no child left behind. Yes, let's dump more money in to education, that will fix it.
    • by llZENll (545605) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @01:40PM (#22477940)
      Project Constellation overall is a great idea, but building a moonbase is probably a bad idea.

      He also argues that a Moon base is a poor use of resources, since "science can be done for far less money by robotic missions--which also don't put human lives at risk."[5] The Los Angeles Times seconded that in an editorial, saying "Manned moon flight may appeal to baby boomers, but it makes little scientific sense for most space missions these days. Robots can now perform, or be developed to perform, most of the tasks people would do at a moon station." [6]

      Columnist Gregg Easterbrook has criticized the plans as a poor use of resources. He writes that

      Although, of course, the base could yield a great discovery, its scientific value is likely to be small while its price is extremely high. Worse, moon-base nonsense may for decades divert NASA resources from the agency's legitimate missions, draining funding from real needs in order to construct human history's silliest white elephant. [7]

      According to Easterbrook, the billions of dollars that a lunar colony might cost should instead be devoted to exploring the solar system with space probes; space observatories; and protecting the Earth from Near-Earth asteroids.

      - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_outpost_(NASA) [wikipedia.org]
    • by imipak (254310) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @03:01PM (#22479148) Journal
      yeah, right, 'cos the current regime have been just showering money on NASA [universetoday.com], right? Why, it's almost as if Dubya announced a pie in the sky plan at some far-off-date just far enough ahead that it'll have to be Democrat decision that, sorry, actually you've already spent the NASA Mars budget a few thousand times over in Iraq [planetary.org]. (Note that that Planetary Society "success!" press release is about their (ok, our - I'm a member) getting existing funding for space science restored, after it was slashed to try to make up the increasing void between the directive "go back to the moon" and the reality that it costs money to make and fly spaceships and train astronauts. Lots and lots and lots of it, actually.)

      Many of us don't think the gee-whizz eye-candy coolness factor of watching someone bounce round the moon on TV is actually worth the enormous opportunity cost of what could have been done with that money if it wasn't wasted on manned missions. The Shuttle's landing tomorrow morning after a ten day mission that cost $1.3 billion. Consider that the incredibly successful Mars Exploration Rovers cost less than half that over the entire four years and counting mission, and have made fantastic breakthrough scientific discoveries as well as producing some amazing [flickr.com] eye-candy [usyd.edu.au].

      (And incidentally those are all "amateur" images produced from the raw data stream, thanks to JPL/Cornell/Steve Squyres' wonderful policy to release it as it arrives [exploratorium.edu].)

      • The problem isn't NCLB, its with the Teacher's Unions and Federal Involvement in Education.

        The fact is, no matter what we (as people) do, there are going to be problems with whatever. I know some people cannot accept "problems". The fact is, Problems exist, because we don't live in a perfect world. Trying to create a Problem Free Society is HUGELY expensive and impossible to boot. There will always be "problems" and pouring money into "solutions" will NEVER fix them all.

        There will always be people who fail
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        As opposed to, sadly, Hillary:

        Senator Clinton does not support delaying the Constellation program and intends to maintain American leadership in space exploration.
        -Washington Post [washingtonpost.com]
        • Why is "kill it completely where it stands (and be hailed for saving children from that horrific fucking monstrosity)" not an option?

          An excellent question.

          One only has to refer to the impact of the right-wing noise machine to see the answer. After all, it was the conservatives that created this monster, and they control the loudest of the media outlets. If one were to kill off "no child left behind", the right-wing media would jump all over it and label the people behind its killing as being "anti-child", "anti-education", "anti-progress", "anti-jesus", and of course "anti-america" and hence "anti-patriotic".

          Hell, just look

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Unless/until private groups start getting interested in moon missions, the design will be bleeding edge no matter how long you wait. The difference in waiting five years includes that (a) it will need to be updated to work with any developed advancements in materials science in the interim, and (b) you'll likely have to get a bunch of new people familiarized with the old designs once you pick things back up.

  • Given that any moonbase (aren't they putting the cart before the horse here?) will be largely metal, will the signal get through.

    Let's see who trumps this one by offering a 5 bar service for Mars.

  • Dammit. I just heard yesterday that Verizon has completely run out of places to have that guy ask if the person on the other end of the line can hear him now.

    NASA, you have just brought us at least another two months of pain.
  • We're the only provider on the planet my friend.

    But, we do offer the Android. Not the google one, a real one ;)
  • by Cheza (1242376) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:46PM (#22477070)
    This is great, I'll be able to place a call on the moon but I still can't place one in my house.
  • I'm sure the engineers behind the concept are thinking in terms of watts per sq meter, or whatever unit is used to express the actual amount of signal that will be available to the future colonists. And I guess "bars" is a nice, non-technical term, like "Size of Texas" and "Volume of the Library of Congress".

    But at least I can look up the size of Texas and the volume of the LoC, and I can even take a guess as to the length of a Fortnight. "Bar" is an utterly meaningless and arbitrary measurement. Heck, m
  • Do we currently have satellites orbiting the moon? Or would these be the first satellites for our main satellite?
  • by arizwebfoot (1228544) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:56PM (#22477248)
    Now the Moon will another place I can't hide from the ex.
  • by HTH NE1 (675604) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:57PM (#22477260)

    "In space no one can hear your ringtone."
    That's an essential reason for being able to set your phone to vibrate.
  • by petes_PoV (912422) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @12:57PM (#22477266)
    Hopefully it will answer once and for all, the question about whether there's intelligent life out there.

    As soon as there's any hint of a mobile phone mast getting installed all the NIMBY's start moaning, writing to their MP's, holding protests and petitioning the phone company.

    If there is life on other planets, all we have to do to find it is to announce that someone will errect a mobile mast - then just wait for the protests from the aliens. No protests means we are truly alone, afterall.

  • UK has been sitting out of the manned missions and are now looking at how to get in on the game. They were talking about building units for the ISS, but that really seems like a waste. Far better for them to focus on doing things that others have not done, or have not done decently. It would be interesting to see if they would pursue such items as a fuel depot.
  • by Rob T Firefly (844560) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @01:05PM (#22477384) Homepage Journal
    It's a base station! [wikipedia.org]
  • by damburger (981828) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @01:24PM (#22477674)

    NO, ITS SHIT!

    Sorry, had to be done.

  • Oh yeah? (Score:3, Funny)

    by binaryspiral (784263) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @01:27PM (#22477726)
    I have the Ted Kennedy phone coverage plan... they claim "more bars everywhere".
  • by kellyb9 (954229) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @01:31PM (#22477796)
    4 bars on the moon?! somehow, I know I'm getting screwed when I would get better service on the moon than I would at my house.
  • by EdIII (1114411) * on Tuesday February 19 2008, @01:42PM (#22477972)
    I don't mean to troll, I really don't, but this just seems to be an incredibly stupid waste of resources.

    I don't see it working that well due to the lag, and the costs are incredible.

    Are we really trying to put bandwidth (that is what is essentially being done) on the Moon?

    Isn't the whole reason why we are having problems with bandwidth/transfer caps in the US due to a lack of bandwidth? Maybe we should be investing in our infrastructures at home and solving the problems we have here with our current bandwidth before trying to place some incredibly expensive bandwidth on the moon for possible colonists.

    Now I understand this might be done for national pride, just like the space race in the 60's. Are we really going to have that much pride that we were the first to offer cellphone service on the Moon?
  • brilliant (Score:5, Funny)

    by nguy (1207026) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @01:43PM (#22477980)
    First, NASA tricks AT&T in setting up a cell phone network on the moon, then, in order to recoup their investment, AT&T must somehow get the moon colonized.
  • Wow (Score:4, Funny)

    by Quiet_Desperation (858215) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @02:05PM (#22478264)
    "Guess where *I'm* calling from!"
  • Bummer (Score:5, Funny)

    by Tarlus (1000874) on Tuesday February 19 2008, @02:09PM (#22478334)

    ...you won't be able to say, "In space no one can hear your ringtone."
    Well that's a damn shame, considering how everyone uses that phrase all the time.