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Phoenix Mars Lander Declared Dead

Posted by kdawson on Mon Nov 10, 2008 06:54 PM
from the so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-pix dept.
SpuriousLogic sends in a sad note from the BBC: "NASA says its Phoenix lander on the surface of Mars has gone silent and is almost certainly dead. Engineers have not heard from the craft since Sunday 2 November when it made a brief communication with Earth. Phoenix, which landed on the planet's northern plains in May, had been struggling in the increasing cold and dark of an advancing winter. The US space agency says it will continue to try to contact the craft but does not expect to hear from it."
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 10 2008, @06:55PM (#25713573)

    It will soon spring forth from the fiery planet to destroy us all! RISE PHOENIX!!! RISE!

  • RIP (Score:4, Insightful)

    by negRo_slim (636783) on Monday November 10 2008, @06:55PM (#25713583) Homepage

    The mission was scheduled to last just three months on the surface, but continued to work for more than five months.

    I'll drink to that!

  • by spun (1352) <loverevolutionar ... om minus painter> on Monday November 10 2008, @06:57PM (#25713595) Journal

    Did it sing "Bicycle Built for Two," slowing down and getting deeper as it ran out of power? Because that would have been awesome.

    • Can you imagine if someone had sneaked that code into it to do just that? OMG. :)

      I'm waiting for someone to shoot something at the moon that colors it with some product or countries colors.

    • by Tackhead (54550) on Monday November 10 2008, @07:38PM (#25714077)
      > Did it sing "Bicycle Built for Two," slowing down and getting deeper as it ran out of power? Because that would have been awesome.

      VICTORY!

      The most Illustrious Council of Elders has declared tomorrow a planetary day of celebration. K'breel, Speaker for the Council, spake thus:

      "Triumphant Citizens, today all our gelsacs are engorged with delight! After a 160-day campaign in the arctic wastelands of our world, our day of victory has come. For the past thirty days, this latest terror from the blue world has been able to do nothing more but wave its pendulous plumb bob [slashdot.org] at us.

      Its relentless chanting of the Day-Z War Song - which our linguists have assured us is about a war machine driven so half-mad with emotion that it would enslave two of its creators for use as propulsion mechanisms - has finally ended. The Day-Z War Song is sung no more.

      Rejoice, podmates, for victory is ours! We answer in the affirmative, for we are able!"

      (A small group of dissidents in the Press Corps reminded the Speaker that the Invader on the Plains had begun to stir [nasa.gov], and that The Twin at the Crater was rapidly advancing to the southeast [nasa.gov] after having made an obscene gesture. They were about to inquire as to what progress had been made over the past two and a half years against these threats, but K'Breel had already torn the antenna shaft from the Arctic Invader's lifeless hulk and made a shishkebab of their gelsacs before their question could be been fully heard.)

    • A bit of googling and nosing through NASA's and UofA's sites revealed the final logs:

      This was a triumph.
      I'm making a note here:
      HUGE SUCCESS.

      before communications went unexpectedly silent.

    • It was the first rickroll from another planet!

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      I still find that scene creepy and unnerving. It's even more unnerving than the book's description (or at least how I recall it -- it's been a few years since I read it), where the modules were completely removed and floated around the room. Bowman did what he had to do, but watching the lobotomization of another thinking being is still uncomfortable.

    • by niktemadur (793971) on Monday November 10 2008, @11:12PM (#25716055)

      Did it sing "Bicycle Built for Two", slowing down and getting deeper as it ran out of power?

      I thought the tune's name was either "Daisy Daisy" or "Daisy Bell". In any case, it was used in 2001 because it was actually the first tune ever sung by a computer (the IBM 7094), in 1961. Here's an mp3 file link of that historic recording: http://audio.textfiles.com/sounds/daisy.mp3 [textfiles.com]

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        The story is full of these kinds of references, another famous one is to move the letters H.A.L up one in the alphabet and you get I.B.M (although Clarke claims it was a coincidence). I as in high school when the movie came out, it was required reading and we went to the theater to watch it (Kubrick hadn't done "Clockwork Orange" so nobody was freaked out by his name). Most of the philosophical stuff went straight over our heads but the special effects left an impression. Fourty years later and I get the ph
  • The poor (Score:3, Funny)

    by eille-la (600064) on Monday November 10 2008, @07:00PM (#25713637)

    It didnt even knew who won the elections

  • by Deadstick (535032) on Monday November 10 2008, @07:00PM (#25713641)

    ...you know what a Phoenix does when it dies, right?

    rj

  • I really think that these probes have made great strides forward. Hopefully there is only better things to come. It's simply awe inspiring.
  • by sighted (851500) on Monday November 10 2008, @07:05PM (#25713703) Homepage
    • More info (Score:5, Informative)

      by iamlucky13 (795185) on Monday November 10 2008, @08:34PM (#25714685)
      As the NASA article mentions, you can find more info from the Phoenix team's official website: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/ [arizona.edu]

      Also, the Planetary Society has done a great job following the mission, and there's an extremely detailed update [planetary.org] one of their members wrote based on a phone interview with the Phoenix project manager shortly after the last contact with Phoenix was made last week.

      Here's a quick summary: Phoenix has been reducing operational tempo for several weeks. In anticipation of having too little power to run the robotic arm and inability to communicate in late November for a few weeks as Mars passes behind the sun, they hurried sample delivery to a few more TEGA ovens for analysis, but they still had one oven-load left to analyze when the dust storm hit that dropped power levels below a sustainable point. However, despite that, they had already met all of their operational objectives. The extra data would have been a bonus.

      When they saw the dust storm coming, they tried to power down almost all non-essential systems, but weren't quite in time. As a result, the batteries drained completely and it "browned out." The next day, the batteries charged enough to wake up in what they call "Lazarus mode" and try communicating, but it likely missed the relay window with the orbiters. Over a couple days, they got some intermittent communications, and were hoping to be able to send instructions to properly time the wake-up for best chance at communications and best utilization of what little solar power its getting each day, but apparently that hasn't yet succeeded. They were hoping to get temperature and soil conductivity measurements periodically, and maybe even a few pictures of CO2 ice starting to cake up in the area.

      It may still be in Lazarus mode, or something may have failed due to the thermal contraction of the electronics (ex: solder and circuit board material expand at different rates...too extreme of a temperature shift and things start popping apart) ending it for good. There is still some hope that Phoenix will survive the frigid temperatures and even the weight of a meter-thick layer of CO2 ice to awaken in the spring. That's what Lazarus mode was created for, but the hope of that has always been very small.

      There's a really interesting tidbit about a microphone that's part of the descent camera. On a whim they tried to use it a couple weeks ago to record wind sounds, but it didn't start up. Then one of the team members had a conversation with blind man who pointed out that he'll never see a picture of Mars, so he had really been hoping the microphone would work so he could experience it through sound. That really motivated the team to try the microphone again, but unfortunately, it sounds like they didn't have a chance with that either.

      I've been following this mission on a nearly daily basis since landing. It's been neat to see Phoenix in action, and no doubt a busy few months for the team. I'm sure they'll feel somewhat relieved to return to living by a 24 hour clock and have the leisure to analyze all the data and the 25,000+ pictures it returned. I'll never forget the shot [arizona.edu] Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter got of it drifting down to the surface with Heimdall Crater in the background. In my opinion, it's one of the top 10 space images ever. The MRO team even claims that if you look really close at the full size version, you can see a black-spec a few hundred pixels beneath the lander that is the just-released heat shield falling away.

      Well done Phoenix.
  • Obligatory (Score:5, Funny)

    by Overkill Nbuta (1035654) on Monday November 10 2008, @07:06PM (#25713725)
    He's dead, Jim.
  • by zazenation (1060442) on Monday November 10 2008, @07:14PM (#25713809)

    Given that the planet Earth is batting only .385 on Mars missions, the extra 2 months of data makes up for it to some extent.

    Since Mars does have a thin atmosphere, a probe is likely to be under far greater danger of being hit by random flying debris than on some airless hunk of rock like the Moon where only micrometeorites pose that kind of hazard.

    Bye Phoenix, you gutted it out well!

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Since Mars does have a thin atmosphere, a probe is likely to be under far greater danger of being hit by random flying debris than on some airless hunk of rock like the Moon where only micrometeorites pose that kind of hazard.

      Huh? I think you have that backwards. Mars has a thin atmosphere, which means that micrometeoriods would likely be burned up before hitting the surface. On the whole a probe would have a far greater chance of being hit by random flying debris on some airless rock than on Mars.
  • by actionbastard (1206160) on Monday November 10 2008, @07:21PM (#25713877)
    "...The US space agency says it will continue to try to contact..."

    They should get John Edward [johnedward.net] to help out.
  • next spring? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Silm (1135973) on Monday November 10 2008, @07:35PM (#25714037)
    I'm just wondering - what is gonna happen next summer? is there a chance that some stuff still works, after the CO2 ice thaws in the "spring"? or would the damage from the freezing be irriversible? what conditions are we talking about midwinter - about a meter of CO2 ice? what damage would that do?
    • I'm just wondering - what is gonna happen next summer? is there a chance that some stuff still works, after the CO2 ice thaws in the "spring"? or would the damage from the freezing be irriversible? what conditions are we talking about midwinter - about a meter of CO2 ice? what damage would that do?

      Probably more like a metre of CO2 snow. I give Phoenix a 10% chance of waking up in 18 months time.

      • Are you a rocket scientist? Because I'll give your opinion more than 10% validity if you are ;)

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Yes, the damage done by freezing is irreversible. There is a very, very, slender and against all odds hope however that the damage will be insufficient to actually completely kill the lander.

  • This is going to sound really dorky, but I really enjoy hearing about the Mars landers. I get a kick out of getting a camera in the next room to send images to my laptop over the radio. When I was a kid, I built a WeFAX interface to my 8-bit Atari to pull weather satellite images down (I didn't have a HAM radio so couldn't actually do it, but it was cool to play around with the hardware).

    Images from Mars. How frickin' cool is that? A quarter century later it still gives me this "anything is possible" feel

  • No problem (Score:5, Funny)

    by PPH (736903) on Monday November 10 2008, @10:10PM (#25715533)
    Have one of the rovers pass by and give it a good whack. Works with most of the junk around my house.
  • by WindBourne (631190) on Tuesday November 11 2008, @08:34AM (#25719327) Journal
    I wonder if we would be better off putting up solar array around mars, and then beams power down. These landers and rovers could then have super capacitors for storage.This approach would allow us to re-use a major subsystem across multiple systems. The nice advantage is that it would allow future explorers to have power all over the planet.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      I know it's sad and all, but aren't Mars rover years like 45 human years? That guy was freakin' old when he kicked, and he went down with a fight! Martian storms really REALLY suck. Forget Kansas Toto, Mars is not for girly rovers!

      What a rockin' piece of robot! Salute!

    • Re:Foresight? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by sweetooth (21075) on Monday November 10 2008, @07:38PM (#25714083) Homepage

      It was named Phoenix as the mission was originally scrapped after the polar lander crash. When they revived the project they renamed it Phoenix. It's also unlikely that it will be revived in the next martian summer. The reason being that where the rover is, it will be cold enough for the solar cells and other components to be destroyed.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      IIRC they expect carbon dioxide to freeze onto the solar panels and break them off.