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First Space Lawyer Graduates

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Mon May 12, 2008 04:11 PM
from the great-more-lawyers dept.
PHPNerd writes "Over at space.com is an interesting article about the first space lawyer. He graduated from the University of Mississippi. 'Any future space lawyer might have to deal with issues ranging from the fallout over satellite shoot-downs to legal disputes between astronauts onboard the International Space Station. The expanding privatization of the space sector may also pose new legal challenges [...] "We are particularly proud to be offering these space law certificates for the first time, since ours is the only program of its kind in the U.S. and only one of two in North America," said Samuel Davis, law dean at the University of Mississippi.'"
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  • by crazybit (918023) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:13PM (#23383986)
    a new breed of lawyers
    • by EmbeddedJanitor (597831) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:20PM (#23384078)
      It seems that maritime law is very similar if we can discount aliens.

      Disputes between citizens of different countries are already resolved on the high seas by maritime law. Dumping too.

      Space law just sounds like a degree cooked up by one of those internet universities that send you a pdf degree.

      • When was the last time a ship landed on someone's house?
      • by frosty_tsm (933163) on Monday May 12 2008, @05:45PM (#23385158)
        Maritime Law does cover aliens if you treat them as "natives" like the colonials did.

        Trade with them, enslave them, and/or slaughter them.
      • by Steve Hamlin (29353) on Monday May 12 2008, @10:10PM (#23387306) Homepage

        Don't critique that which you do not know.

        The University of Mississippi School of Law [olemiss.edu] "offers the only dedicated aerospace law curriculum in the nation from an American Bar Association-accredited law school, and requires courses on U.S. space and aviation law, international space and aviation law, and remote sensing; participation in the publication of the Journal of Space Law; and independent research. The National Center for Remote Sensing, Air and Space Law was founding in 1999."

        The faculty and staff look very well experienced [olemiss.edu]: international treaties, UN, regulatory exp.; aerospace, aviation, & remote sensing legal work; governmental, public policy groups and private sector.

        Curriculum [olemiss.edu] from the National Center for Remote Sensing, Air and Space Law [olemiss.edu] :

        Remote Sensing Law: "Remote sensing is a valuable technology in science, foreign policy, national security, and commerce. This course provides an overview of international and domestic remote sensing law and identifies issues in the United States and the international community."

        U.S. Domestic Space Law: "This course covers the most developed body of domestic space law in the world: that of the United States. It addresses the nation's civil and military programs and offers a wide variety of commercial activites: launches, remote sensing, and satellite communications, among others."

        International Space Law: "This course provides an overview of current international space law in U.N. resolutions and treaties and customary law. It identifies legal theory and principles used in the advancement of civil, military, and commercial space activities."

        Journal of Space Law (practical): "The Journal of Space Law is an academic review of national and international scope, focusing on the many aspects of space, remote sensing, and aerospace law. Research, writing, and editing assignments, and other duties necessary to the operation of the Journal of Space Law. One hour credited for each term of participation to maximum of 4 hours. Limitation: credit not available if enrolled in the Mississippi Law Journal."

        RTFA before uninformed commentary. HTH.

        • Plus the outer space treaty really has no bearing for a maritime lawyer.
          Ba-doom-tish! *groan from the audience*
    • by CowboyNealOption (1262194) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:46PM (#23384452) Journal
      And here I was hoping space would be one place to someday finally have a lawyer-free haven.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      In virtually all the SF I've read, 'space lawyer' carried a degree of denigration over and above that of a simple lawyer, however.
  • In the states I've looked up, "specializing" as a lawyer means nothing. Every lawyer is on 100% equal footing with regard to the law. The "family law" lawyer has exactly the same legal standing as a "criminal defense attorney", wether the trial is a messy divorce or a murder trial.

    While I suppose it's good to have specialized training in law for a specific field, this just seems silly. I mean, I'm sure there have been lawyers before (working for NASA, Lockheed, Boeing, etc,) that have "specialized" in space law. Who cares if the diploma lists "space law", really?
    • by Tanman (90298) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:19PM (#23384060)
      Specialization has, for most professions, been a way for the industry to differentiate between its own members. It is not a government-recognized title. For example, a medical doctor can legally perform brain surgery without the 7 year neurosurgery residency. More than that, someone who has completed the 7-year training and *fails* the neurosurgery boards can legally perform brain surgery.

      Many HMO clinics/etc, as a cost-cutting measure, will actually hire 'radiologists' and other specialists who have been unable to pass their boards. This is because, while they are legally allowed to practice whatever medicine they want (assuming they have their state license to practice medicine), they will work cheap 'cause anyone who checks their credentials will likely turn them away.

      On another note, always check your physicians credentials :)
      • by MMC Monster (602931) on Monday May 12 2008, @05:35PM (#23385054)
        In the medical profession, some of the subspecialty boards are more of a money-grab by the professional societies rather than any indication of the abilities of the practitioners.

        In the field of cardiology, there are a number of subspecialty board examinations. Some of them are necessary (ie: Interventional Cardiology, Electrophysiology), and some of them are simple money grabs (Echocardiography, Nuclear Medicine, Peripheral Vascular Disease).

        Unfortunately, it all sounds impressive when you are a patient. :-(
        • by Tanman (90298) on Tuesday May 13 2008, @03:26AM (#23388836)
          Here's the best ways to check their credentials:

          1. Ask to see their medical school diploma. Most will have it hanging in their office. As a general rule, you want a doctor who graduated from a United States medical school. There are a lot of med schools in the carribean for docs who can't hack the U.S. curriculum. There are also some good schools in England as well as a couple other places, so don't immediately discount them if they don't have a U.S. diploma -- but it is a possible warning flag that you need to research.

          2. Ask to see their board certification (assuming you are talking to a specialist like an orthopedic surgeon, radiologist, ob/gyn, etc). If they don't have board certification, see if you can find a doctor in your health care's plan that is board certified. Board certification requires a doctor to take a rather grueling exam much akin to a lawyer's boards. If your doc did it, you know right off that they are likely higher-calibur.

          3. Ask them if they have ever had their license involuntarily revoked in this or any other state. If so, find another doctor. **Caveat: Doctors have to pay dues to keep their license to practice in a state, so if they moved they might have it revoked for failure to pay dues. Obviously, that's not an issue.
    • Dodge's interest in space law grew from an early fascination with space exploration that was based mostly on science and history.

      Most kids interested in space want to be astronauts. When you think about it, space is this massive unexplored frontier full of adventure and wonder. Juxtapose that against the minutia sifting and pedantry of the field of law, and that tells me one thing; this kid must be really bitter.
    • by IP_Troll (1097511) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:29PM (#23384208)
      Exceptions! Patent Attorneys and Maritime Attorneys. Attorneys are not allowed to use those prefixes in a description of their profession unless they have passed special Federal bars, which are seperate from state bars. Although many IP attorneys say they litigate patents, a Patent Attorney is the only one that can secure a patent from the patent office. Similarly a Maritime Attorney is the only type of attorney that can litigate in Maritime law tribunals. From the article it sounds like this is just a novelty concentration for law school and nothing more.
    • I hope you're trolling.

      Yes, every lawyer is on equal footing with the law, but the field of law is so vast and complex that it requires specialization. If you think that a family law lawyer expertly knows what he's (she's) doing with patent law, or tort law, I encourage you to go try it. The smart attorney will refer you to someone who specializes in the repective law. The dumb (or maybe adventurous) one might try to handle it themselves.

      You don't have a civil engineer designing cell phones just as y

  • In space... (Score:5, Funny)

    by elliotm00 (1204958) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:14PM (#23383996)
    In space, no one can hear you sue.
    • **Knock Knock**
      <guy in ISS> WTF?
      **Opens Airlock, guy standing there in spacesuit, with package.
      <guy outside> You have been served. Have a good day!
      <guy in ISS> WTF??
  • by Tanman (90298) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:15PM (#23384006)
    [comment deleted due to space copyright]
    -Space Lawyer
  • Attack of the space-lawyers!
  • I suppose if a woman spends six months with two guys on the International Space Station, and three months after she lands on Earth she gives birth, a Space Lawyer could help determine paternity. Also if a Russian pilot dings the body work on the International Space Station with his Soyuz and denies it on the collision report, a Space Lawyer would come in handy there too.
  • by bagboy (630125) <neo AT arctic DOT net> on Monday May 12 2008, @04:18PM (#23384046)
    on Jedi mind tricks.....
  • by Chris Burke (6130) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:19PM (#23384068) Homepage
    I shouldn't be, but I am. I know that you refer to a lawyer by their specialty, i.e. a "patent lawyer" is a lawyer who specializes in patents, not a lawyer who themselves is patented or was created by a patent.

    But is it really all that much to ask that the world's first "space lawyer" actually be from space? Or live there now? I don't care what they specialize in, they just have to have a law degree and either hail from or emigrate to outer space.

    I'll be writing my congressman about this.
    • Not just that, but the term "Space Lawyer" seems rather lame, like he's in charge of a big warehouse or something.

      "Interstellar Lawyer" or "Galactic Lawyer" or something like that seems a much better job title.
      • Not just that, but the term "Space Lawyer" seems rather lame, like he's in charge of a big warehouse or something.

        Hey, it worked for Space Ghost. Nobody was like "so, do you haunt a warehouse or something?"

        So maybe Space Lawyer just needs to hang out with Space Ghost, and then nobody will question him like that.
  • Quick... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Dusty101 (765661) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:20PM (#23384082)
    ... kill it now before it breeds! I say we take off & nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
  • by ianare (1132971) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:21PM (#23384098)
    but when are they going to send all the other lawyers in space?
  • by zunger (17731) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:23PM (#23384110)
    I'm sorry, this just reminds me of Heinlein's use of the phrase "space lawyer" as the SF generalization of "latrine lawyer."
    • I'm sorry, this just reminds me of Heinlein's use of the phrase "space lawyer" as the SF generalization of "latrine lawyer."

      Heinlein, a former naval officer, was expanding on the navy slang "sea lawyer". A derogatory term referring to someone who tries to use rules and regulations to shirk responsibilities and/or make excuses for their failures. They are generally not the most popular of shipmates.
  • Counselnaut? Astrolawyer? Orbital Mouthpiece? Defender (get it)? Prosecutron? Baikonur Barrister? Still, I guess this isn't any different than those lawyers that specialize in oddball maritime issues.
  • I didn't catch that. What kind of lawyer did you say he was?
    I couldn't hear over all the people laughing.
  • "Hello, beautiful. I'm a space lawyer." There's no way a tax attorney could compete with that.
  • Classmate: "So what have you been doing these past 10 years?"

    Hero: "Well, I'm a space lawyer."

    Classmate: "Do you, like, work on lawsuits about zoning or something?"

    Hero: "No, I handle laws based on outer space."

    Classmates, in unison: "Hahahahahaha."

    Hero: "I'm in the employ of several governments. I could buy all of your houses and probably enslave all of you, and by enslave, I mean pay you a living wage to fan me and bring me drinks."

    Classmates, in unison: *cricket* *cricket* "So where did you go to school
  • They believe in space in Mississippi? Has nobody told their wonderfully enlightened pastors about this widespread heathen encroachment on freedom of religion?
  • because everyone who bought "property" on the moon will need to sue their real estate agent.
  • Hmmm... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Puffy Director Pants (1242492) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:29PM (#23384210)
    How do you get a process server to the ISS?
  • First things first. Especially in space. Law is a set of rules established to maintain a civilized society. When it is obvious that a society is already governed by a set of rules (such as chain of command that necessarily exists with all space travel), imposing a set of artificial and necessarily arbitrary extra rules only makes for an extra burden, and therefore, danger in the situation. If any lawyers think their contribution to the set of behaviors in space is warranted, they are playing with people
  • I am waiting for the first paternity suit. It should be entertaining.
  • Sweet! I was wondering how I was going to handle the closing on that Mars property I have had my eye on!
  • Uniform? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Kenshin (43036) <kenshin@ l u n a r works.ca> on Monday May 12 2008, @04:37PM (#23384306) Homepage
    I just have to wonder... what does the Space Lawyer uniform look like? Was it designed by Zapp Brannigan?
  • But.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Fr4ncis (763671) on Monday May 12 2008, @04:39PM (#23384352) Homepage
    Weren't their fees already.. astronomical?
  • bzzt (Score:5, Informative)

    by delong (125205) on Monday May 12 2008, @05:00PM (#23384616)
    Inaccurate. This is not the first "space lawyer." It is the first "space law certificate" from a law school to a graduating law student. There are a multitude of "space lawyers" already.

    And just to be nitpicky, just because this person graduates from law school with this certificate doesn't make them a "space lawyer." Graduating from law school doesn't make you a lawyer. Passing the bar makes you a lawyer, and the certificate doesn't mean a damn.
  • by CodeBuster (516420) on Monday May 12 2008, @05:54PM (#23385258)
    The State of Mississippi was for many years among the poorest and most litigious states in the entire United States. There have been some recent attempts at reforms which seem to be bearing fruit, but it is not surprising that a new innovation in lawyers and lawsuits has come out of the State of Mississippi. The Wall Street Journal had a recent article [wsj.com] describing the litigious history of Mississippi.
    • Except that John C. Stennis, as in the John C. Stennis Space Center, is from there (I actually met him by chance at a nursing home in Madison near the end of his life). And Fred Haies on Apollo 13 was from Biloxi, Mississippi. So it's not _totally_ unprecedented for someone to from Mississippi to be associated with space...
      • except that John C. Stennis graduated from my alma mater, Mississippi State University -- NOT University of Mississippi (Ole Miss). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Stennis