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Green Light for Human/Animal Hybrids

Posted by Zonk on Thu Jan 17, 2008 03:18 PM
from the monkeymen-soon-to-be-our-servants dept.
Henneshoe writes "BBC News is reporting that two research facilities have been given the green light to create part human, part animal embryos. According the the report, 'Scientists want to create hybrid embryos by merging human cells with animal eggs in a bid to extract stem cells. The embryos would then be destroyed within 14 days.' The decision to allow the embryos was made after research showed that people in large are OK with the idea."
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  • by grub (11606) <slashdot@grub.net> on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:19PM (#22084506) Homepage Journal

    "Your Honour, I was just working on creating a Human/Sheep hybrid."
    • I was going to make a comment about men in Montana being light years ahead of this research, but you beat me to it.

      At least this way the sheep aren't nervous.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        All this talk of "green light" and "light years" made me think of the green lighted kitties [wired.com] they've already cloned.

        Please, won't someone think of the glow-in-the-dark kitties?

        • by russ1337 (938915) on Thursday January 17 2008, @04:03PM (#22085202)
          Hey! I'm a New Zealander!!!

          You did remind me of the story my uncle told me about the time he was on the farm with an Australian businessman. Coming over the brow of the hill on the tractor he saw a sheep with its head stuck between the wires in the fence, so being a true New Zealander he did what you suggested - attempted to make a human / sheep hybrid.

          When he hopped back on the tractor he said to the Australian "Hey mate, do you want to have a go?" And before he could say anthing more the Australian businessman got down off the tractor, walked over to the sheep and ....



          Stuck his head through the wires.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:58PM (#22085136)

      "Your Honour, I was just working on creating a Human/Sheep hybrid."
      This is one area the governments of the world would love to see success. They have been trying to turn people into sheep for untold millenia, to varying degrees of success.
      • by calcapt (975466) on Thursday January 17 2008, @04:48PM (#22085852)
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7193820.stm [bbc.co.uk]

        I find this incredibly irritating. The specifics of the term "hybrid" are not elaborated upon and the continual use of the term"human-animal hybrid" allows for people to develop the notion that scientists out there are actually creating some monster chimeric creature.

        Not. True. If you click on "Q&A Hybrid Embryos", found in the right hand nav bar, you'll see what I mean. I've provided the link below:

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6233415.stm [bbc.co.uk]

        This second link elaborates on why these eggs are considered "hybrid". Genetic material (DNA) is essentially removed from animal cells, leaving an empty nucleus and functional cellular machinery. In other words, you have a cell without DNA that looks very much like a human cell without it's DNA. The scientists then inject human DNA into the animal cell's nucleus; at this point the animal cell reads instructions off the DNA and carries them out. The end product is essentially A HUMAN CELL, but with left over proteins and cellular material generated from the old animal DNA.

        This is FAR different from what people appear to be assuming. It's not going to generate some half cow-half human monster/creature, and does NOT "blur" the boundaries between humans and other species.
        • I find this incredibly irritating. The specifics of the term "hybrid" are not elaborated upon and the continual use of the term"human-animal hybrid" allows for people to develop the notion that scientists out there are actually creating some monster chimeric creature.

          I hear you. It is disgusting that people badmouth these scientist who are in reality working hard to create human-cat hybrids [wikipedia.org] to star in live action versions of japanese anime shows.

  • Sweet! (Score:4, Funny)

    by foreverdisillusioned (763799) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:22PM (#22084550) Journal
    Dibs on platypus!
  • by faloi (738831) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:22PM (#22084552)
    Do they speak English in Iarge?
  • by KillerCow (213458) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:23PM (#22084574)

    The decision to allow the embryos was made after research showed that people in large are OK with the idea


    I am glad that we are trusting the unwashed masses to make important technical decisions that they know nothing about. If Britney says it's safe, then it must be. God bless Democracy.

    I, for one, welcome our species hopping virus overlords.
    • by ajs (35943) <ajs&ajs,com> on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:36PM (#22084772) Homepage Journal

      I am glad that we are trusting the unwashed masses to make important technical decisions that they know nothing about.
      I think you misunderstand... the government almost certainly wanted to make sure that there would not be backlash against the idea after having ALREADY made their decision on a technical level (since the advisers in question would have been the ones to bring the issue to that level). However, I'm sure they formed the question in a reasonable way that didn't imply that the island of Dr. Moreau would be coming to a Kwiki-Mart near you. Slashdot, on the other hand....

      Even the summary, once you get past that horrid title, makes it clear that we're not talking about changing the DNA involved, but rather using eggs from animals to grow cells that were taken from a human. I can't really imagine why I'd have a problem with growing cells from a human that way vs. previous experiments that have cultured human cells in a stand-alone environment.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      The problem is that the scientific community is usually OK with the idea. They know the limits and the problems best, and know how far they can move ahead without doing something that would make them avoid looking in the mirror.

      It's the "unwashed masses" that protest most - people with no clue, no understanding, loaded with prejudices and unwilling to learn - and they can be a serious roadblock. After all, a vote of a scientist is worth the same as a vote of a redneck, but there's 1000 rednecks for each sci
  • paging... (Score:5, Funny)

    by debatem1 (1087307) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:24PM (#22084584)
    Dr. Moreau unavailable for comment.
  • Presumably none of these so-called "people at-large" have ever seen the movie "The Fly" [imdb.com].
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      Sure they did. They rooted for the fly.
      • Which one? The human who slowly turned into a giant fly? or the unshown, but presumed by symmetry fly that slowly turned into a tiny human?
  • Public Permission? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ranton (36917) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:28PM (#22084652)
    Since when should the perception of the public decide what research is done and which is not? I can at least understand why a panel such as the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority would want to have their opinion heard, but why would they waste their time consulting the public?

    Why even create such a government body if they were just going to conduct opinion polls to make their decisions? If you are going to assemble a panel of scientists and ethicists to regulate the scientific community (well at least in the UK), at least you would hope they would use their expertise instead of referring to the public.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      The only reason for these bodies to exist is to make sure the peasants don't care enough to pick up their pitchforks. If the peasants don't care, the research proceeds. If the peasants are pissed off, public education campaigns occur first.
      • The only reason for these bodies to exist is to make sure the peasants don't care enough to pick up their pitchforks. If the peasants don't care, the research proceeds. If the peasants are pissed off, public education campaigns occur first.

        In a perfect world, maybe.

        Back in the real world, enough irrational protest can prevent valuable research from occurring - and leave the related commercial sector scraping by with dysfunctional, archaic, and dangerous technology. For a good example, see nuclear power in

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Since when should the perception of the public decide what research is done and which is not?

      In the United States, governmental authority and sovereignty rests with the "public". Presumably, their perceptions guide their exercising of their power.

      I have always found the issue of sovereignty a bit strange in the United Kingdom. In the end, the law either derives from the people or the monarch. In either case, a panel of scientists is irrelevant as they do not exercise political power, at least not beyond
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        I wasnt talking about having no regulation. But if you RTFA, and then read more about the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority at their website: http://www.hfea.gov.uk/ [hfea.gov.uk], you will find that it is a panel consistant of doctors, scientists, and ethicists. In my post I was saying that it is people like this that I would like making these decisions, not joe six pack.
      • by ranton (36917) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:59PM (#22085158)
        Maybe because the peasants are helping to pay for it?

        Public money spent on things the public wants is what charity organizations are for. Spending money on things for the good of the people, but that is something the average person wouldnt want to pay for himself, is what the government is for.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Why should the public be consulted? Because the public are the ultimate arbitrator of ethical issues

        I disagree. Are you saying that your average southern plantation owner should have been consulted in 1800 about the ethics of slavery?

        I personally think that the public should be the absolute last result as an arbitrator of ethical issues. The public is often vastly uninformed on most topics. I honestly think that an ethicist, or at least someone with enormous experience and training in dealing with ethica
  • Suddenly... (Score:5, Funny)

    by pwnies (1034518) * <jjcm.linux+slashdot@gmail.com> on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:28PM (#22084662) Homepage Journal
    Furries across the world rejoiced in their parents' basements.
  • by I8TheWorm (645702) * <jeff&jeffreyhamby,com> on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:29PM (#22084674) Homepage Journal
    Approved over 4 years after Chinese scientists [newsmax.com] apparently already began experimenting with the same.

    Oh, and the obligatory "I for one welcome our new <insert your own human/animal hybrid here> overlords."
  • That's the most deprived form of alchemy their is...
  • Awww... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pla (258480) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:32PM (#22084702) Journal
    The embryos would then be destroyed within 14 days.

    So, anyone else consider that the single most dissapointing part of this?

    They'd almost certainly not live long enough to ever call them infants, but even in the steps they do last through, we could learn so much by watching how they develop differently from either human or other-half embryos.

    And if they actually lived to term, well, I would consider their cognitive develpment nothing short of fascinating to observe.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        What you have is a little blob of animal stem cells with a few human stem cells thrown into the mix. Both are multiplying, but we mostly have animal cells. What would likely happen is once the embryo's cells begin specialization and an immune system develops, it would kill off all the human cells leaving itself crippled, deformed and dying.
  • by sammyo (166904) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:32PM (#22084706) Journal
    No wait, a human-roach hybrid, now that could like become the actual true master race...
  • How is this better? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by shadylookin (1209874) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:32PM (#22084716)
    I know a lot of people are against cloning human embryos extracting the stem cells and then aborting them. So how on earth could splicing humans cells with animals, harvesting it, and then aborting it possibly be construed as better? Personally I don't care either way, but I can't see how you could be happier with cross species embryos than with good old cloning from a moral standpoint
    • by Surt (22457) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:43PM (#22084912) Homepage Journal
      A significant number of the religious fundies would say that a half human monster thing cannot have a soul, so you get a big win over the pure human when you kill it (note that most fundies are not vegetarians, for example, and are perfectly ok with killing animals for research).
    • by DigitalReverend (901909) on Thursday January 17 2008, @04:11PM (#22085298)
      As a student of theology I might be able to shed some light on this.

      In the eyes of religion, the human egg and the human sperm are considered potential humans, even more so when joined. Hence the reason it is considered sinful when a man "spills his seed".

      Except for the reproductive cells, any other human cell cannot be considered a potential human, therefore using some skin cells and implanting them in a cow egg and aborting the fetus after 14 days would not be considered human abortion.

      Basically this is a loophole around the whole ethics thing as long as the fetus is terminated. A whole new bag of worms is waiting to be opened if one of those embryos goes to term and a 8lb 10oz bouncing blue eyed huvine (boman?) is born.


  • Man, this sounds very fun. I have no clue what they'd create in beyond the 14 days (very unlikely to survive anyway) - the idea that there will be a generation of scientists experienced with work like this is exciting!

    In some years from now, some regime will pay for the experiments to continue the 14 growth into longer periods, perhaps drilling a way towards useful organs. I seriously doubt a full creature could ever result - really. But I'd certainly like to be able to graft on a tail th
  • Island (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Dan East (318230) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:37PM (#22084796) Homepage
    The embryos would then be destroyed within 14 days.

    I have a hunch that some lab tech would end up with a private Island of Doctor Moreau in their garage, via a few test tubes that were somehow misplaced at the lab.

    Dan East
  • You know weirdly, I'd have been o.k. with it, but now reading the slashdot headline, I'm against it for some weird reason. Why is this?

    I'm o.k. with having pigs and other animals genetically engineered to grow ideal human organs for transplant into humans. I could care less about the animal. I'm also o.k. with vat like bacteria/yeast making various human hormones and other things. I don't care about animals of other species being mass slaughtered for our benefit. I eat at McDonald's every day so I enjoy th
  • by monopole (44023) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:47PM (#22084986)
    ... welcome our new Manimal overlords.
    Especially if they are in Neko Mimi Mode [animegalleries.net].
  • Manbearpig (Score:4, Funny)

    by biscon (942763) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:53PM (#22085064)
    Something half pig, half manbear must come out of this.
    Better call Al Gore.
  • by MiniMike (234881) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:57PM (#22085116)
    Will there be overlords?
  • Remember how everyone said "Aww shucks! We're just going to use cloning for stem cell research! We'd NEVER do anything funky like crossing humans and animals!" in response to cloning critics?

    Well now those critics have been validated, and the Religious Right has more ammunition with which they can stall actual valid medical research.

    This is what unrestrained morbid curiosity gets you. Too bad productive science as a whole has to suffer.
  • Just as usual. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Z00L00K (682162) on Thursday January 17 2008, @05:13PM (#22086154) Homepage
    There are certainly those who are willing to let it grow beyond the 14 day limit...

    Can be a creepy result... A sheep with a human brain... Or the opposite... Those are extremes...

    But what about a human with polar bear fur?

    Never mind - there are better features that I would have had... Better eyesight maybe? Birds are able to see UV-radiation, and some birds have a lot better vision than humans. On the other hand the genome for UV isn't lost in humans - it's actually changed into blue instead, probably because it's more useful that way. (so we can see the BSOD from M$)

    Or a simple feature - why does humans really need toilet paper? Most animals can keep themselves clean anyway!

    And the XXX industry would like to have a man hung like a horse...

    And the athletes would like to be able to run like a cheetah.

    But don't forget - humans are actually one of the more adaptable species in the world, even if laziness and sex drive are the most prominent features of a human. (don't underestimate the amount of work a human can do to avoid work later...)

    • by pla (258480) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:37PM (#22084798) Journal
      This is animal cruelty, plain and simple.

      Because 14-day-old embryos have such well-developed nervous systems that they can appreciate (nevermind even "experience") pain?



      Do you know how many embryos are going to be destroyed

      No. Do you?

      More importantly - So what? At that stage of life, you have organic scum in a tube. What it could someday turn into has no relevance to its status at that developmental level.



      There are better ways to get stem cells people.

      Yes - Yes, we do indeed have better ways. But the goddamned fundies don't seem inclined to let us use the numerous extra embryos from human fertility therapies (nevermind abortions), so we need to find new, even more absurd, ways to get them.
        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          Because 14-day-old embryos have such well-developed nervous systems that they can appreciate (nevermind even "experience") pain?

          So, it is not cruel when one does not "appreciate" or "experience" pain? You could then sedate a person to the point of being incapable of doing either in order to morally kill them?
          Your argument is stupid and you know it, so why bother posting it?
    • by thanatos_x (1086171) on Thursday January 17 2008, @03:52PM (#22085052)
      So you not only take issue with human stem cells, but animal stem cells as well. You have concern for the small number (say 10,000) of animals which may die to provide the embryos.

      Somehow you seem more horrified that those 10,000 die to provide embryos (which you so clearly point out can be used to ease human suffering) than the millions upon millions of animals that die every year to feed us (inefficiently, from a calorie viewpoint), or the thousands of animals which get tested on.

      Why people care so much about things which are never self-aware, let alone capable of feeling pain, yet turn a blind eye to the suffering of people (and animals) that is very real astounds me. Darfur? No, you're more outraged about stem cell research.

      You can have moral issues with both, but please get your priorities straight. Hundreds of thousands dying and starving for NO good reason compared to cells with hundreds of deaths that were going to happen anyway (abortion isn't going away, even if made illegal) that may alleviate the suffering of millions.