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High Schooler Is Awarded $100,000 For Research
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Zonk
on Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:22 AM
from the never-too-early-to-be-a-girl-genius dept.
from the never-too-early-to-be-a-girl-genius dept.
wired_LAIN writes "A teenager from Oklahoma was awarded $100,000 in the Intel Science Talent Search competition for building an inexpensive and accurate spectrograph that can identify the specific characteristics of different kinds of molecules. While normal spectrographs can cost between $20,000 and $100,000 to build, her spectrograph cost less than $500. The 40 finalists' projects were judged by a panel of 12 scientists, all well established in their respective fields. Among the judges were Vera Rubin, who proved Dark Matter, and Andrew Yeager, one of the pioneers of stem cell research."
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I bet! (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:I bet! (Score:5, Insightful)
I bet! Mom & Dad never helped at all!
I honestly don't see why this is flamebait. It could have been said in a better way, especially since it seems to have been misunderstood. It is important for people to understand that parents and social/economic status matter when it comes to academic and scientific achievement, especially in the type of school system we have. That's not to say that individual effort is not needed in the more positive cases or that it cannot overcome the negative cases. But it is true that the more tools you have in life and the better and more stable your learning environment is the easier it is to achieve something. It does not mean that this person's achievement was any less spectacular, just as it is still awesome that John Nash was doing Calculus at age 7 even though the fact his parents were academics who encouraged their son and exposed him to everything he seemed able to handle or have an interest in when he showed interest.
John Nash growing up in an abusive home where no textbooks were available and learning was frowned upon would have a tough row to hoe even as a genius that he was. He would probably be able to achieve a lot because of his drive and intellectual fortitude, but you never know. Not only would he have to overcome the negative aspects of his upbringing, he would not have some of the formative experiences that led him on the path he ended up on. He might not learn to read at an early age because neither his parents nor the public school would encourage reading at an early age or advancing in that skill. He also might not therefore have read _Men_of_Mathematics_ which was the book that most inspired him to become a mathemetician. Perhaps between a bad upbringing and the mental problems he had, he would have ended up in that negative feedback loop so many left behind children find themselves in, where the outside world (especially school, their parents, and other students) gives them a constant reinforcement of the idea that they are "no good" or substandard and will never achieve anything, and their own struggles, when they find the strength to struggle, seem to reinforce it as well and lend fodder to the fire until they either lapse into a kind of apathy toward achievement or take the further course of attempting to achieve something completely negative (addict, prostitute, thug, etc).
Children need encouragement and guidance to grow properly and it is proven that the more successful children in school tend also to be those students whose parents are most involved in their education, and vice versa. Parents that don't have or take time for working with their kids or for whatever reason don't give the right kind of structure and experience for a healthy childhood will tend to have children with problems in school. This is what educators have been telling us, too. I think reform is necessary for the system, and I know parents are resistant to any suggestion that they could have anything to do with problems they have with their children, but consider the fact that this is the portion of the equation parents are most able to change.
It is obvious to me that whereas this person was clearly gifted they also had parents who supported her endeavours. In fact she is quoted in TFA:
Masterman said she has been interested in science "ever since I was little. I can't remember ever not being interested." She credits her parents with encouraging her.
Poorly stated I will give you, but what the poster said was true and was probably not meant as flamebait. It does not seem like flamebait to me.
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This nation... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:This nation... (Score:5, Funny)
I have to remember to pick one up at Costco when we go next week.
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Okay can we see the project? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Okay can we see the project? (Score:5, Informative)
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dark matter (Score:5, Insightful)
Nitpick: That should probably read "provided evidence for the existence dark matter."
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Well, yeah, and the headline should probably read "High School Scholar," but who's counting?
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Nitpick of nitpick: That should probably read "provided evidence for the existence of dark matter."
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That is SO COOL. (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:That is SO COOL. (Score:4, Insightful)
Say, do you like computers? I know I sure do!
Sorry, just don't often get a chance to poke fun at a 4-digit poster.
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"Awarded" or "Paid"? (Score:5, Interesting)
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I don't disagree the $100,000 commercial devices could be made substantially cheaper, probably 10-fold. But most of those devices are calibrated, certified back to NIST metrological standards, include sweeping warranty and support, and probably a software library for in
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Not bad (Score:5, Funny)
cheaper space probes (Score:2, Interesting)
Other winners (Score:5, Interesting)
In any case, I have two thoughts on this:
One, good teachers and money can't make stupid kids smart, but they sure as hell can enable really smart kids to shine. I wonder how this ties in with Bill Gates' recent announcements concerning the state of science and math education in American schools.
Two, I notice a complete lack of representation by the "soft" sciences. Is it because the people writing the grants share the same disdain for disciplines that lack explanatory power as everyone else, or is it because it's easier to set up a biology program than a sociology program? I suspect a little of both--you probably need far more social context than an 18-year-old will have to pursue studies of voter demographics (not to mention the data acq is probably beyond their capabilities).
But some of that context used to be handled by education as well--you had to read the classics, you had to study some philosophy, you had to know history. My aero engineer friend has really never done any of that, so he's an engineer who doesn't know what "empiricism" means. Is this also a failing by our educational system? Isn't such education necessary to be a good researcher?
Re:Other winners (Score:5, Funny)
Holy cow, these kids are off the charts! And I was impressed with the GW-BASIC database I wrote in high school. It looks like something Homer Simpson built compared to that...
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Re:Other winners (Score:4, Insightful)
It goes the other way too. Ask a philosophy student to explain lift and drag and see how far you get.
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Re:Other winners (Score:5, Interesting)
Unrelated. Usually with some high level math theory title I understand the individual words by themselves, but not all together. But that 3rd place title. Holy crap. 3 words I've never even heard of.
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Perhaps because "sof
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Mary Masterman (1)
Dmitry Vaintrob (3)
Megan Blewett (7)
Overview of her Project (Score:5, Informative)
"Her Littrow spectrograph splits light, like a prism, and uses a camera to record the resulting Raman spectra - a specific vibrational fingerprint of the molecular compound being investigated. Using a laser as her light source, Mary tested several household objects and solvents and compared her results to published wave numbers. Despite the shortcomings of the inexpensive laser, she found she could make relatively accurate wavelength measurements with her homemade device."
Whatever... (Score:2, Funny)
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After Watching Idiocracy.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:After Watching Idiocracy.... (Score:5, Insightful)
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They've been building them for 500 bucks for years (Score:2)
2. Sell for $10,000
3. Profit!
Re:They've been building them for 500 bucks for ye (Score:3, Interesting)
For example, your cheap diode laser is temperature dependent. As the (anti)stokes raman lines are energy shifts from the baseline, using a normal laser will give you different callibrations for different energies. So you want a temperature stabilized one (e.g. thermoelectric cooling with feedback loop).
Now you got 1k instead of 500.
Same goes for the prisma. You really want a grating, for good results. $2k.
Then every single one has to be calibrated and tested.
And then you actu
fascinating gender differences in the prizes (Score:5, Insightful)
all the girls were working on physical sciences, or
at least more applied problems.
Well, there's that one well rounded kid that applied
mathematics to the triangulation of geosynchronous
satellites, but the other guys were heavy math geeks.
I thought it said "Spirograph" (Score:4, Funny)
Dollar dollars (Score:5, Funny)
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The appearance thing aside... (Score:2)
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$100,000 will get you all the way through your masters now days. Assuming you can maintain some semblance of a GPA.
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a couple of years?
$100,000 will get you all the way through your masters now days. Assuming you can maintain some semblance of a GPA.
He said at a good University. Granted less expensive schools can actually provide a competitive education but someone like this is probably going to be thinking Princeton or MIT or something, and just about any college in that neck of the woods will put a serious dent in $100,000 pretty fast. Certainly the ones I named would; I think "a couple of years" is about right, cons
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She built a fucking spectrometer on thee cheap.
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In fairness, the OP was observing that her intellectual accomplishment is "hot".
Re:Accurate? Is it Calibrated? (Score:5, Interesting)
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