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Slashback: Wikipedia Correction, NASA Tape, BPI Rejected

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Wed Jul 12, 2006 06:59 PM
from the renamed-to-nasa-tape dept.
Slashback tonight brings some clarifications and updates to previous Slashdot stories including: Reuters offers correction to Wikipedia slam, Lord of the Rings stage show ends, duct tape holds NASA together again, UK ISP rejects BPI request, Maine renews middle-school laptop program, British ID cards get a rethink, and China to further regulate internet use -- Read on for details.

Reuters offers correction to Wikipedia slam. junger writes "Reuters put out a hit piece on Wikipedia, saying that the encyclopedia wasn't credible in 'covering' the breaking news of the death of Enron's Ken Lay, but then Reuters has to correct their own story because they couldn't properly identify one of their sources."

Lord of the Rings stage show ends. l8f57 writes "After only 3 months, the 'Lord Of The Rings' stage show in Toronto, Ontario Canada is ending early. According to the Globe & Mail, the producers are blaming the critics for giving it a bad review. It looks like the last show is scheduled for September 3, 2006. Ticketmaster still has tickets available for shows up to the end."

Duct tape holds NASA together again. vasanth writes to tell us NASA has solved another problem with their favorite repair device, a roll of duct tape. From the article: "First pressed into service during the homemade repairs that saved Apollo 13 from disaster in 1970, the tape has since been at the center of a variety of ingenious quick fixes dreamed up by the space agency's scientists. The latest patch-up will secure British astronaut Piers Sellers to his jet-propelled backpack today for the final spacewalk of the shuttle Discovery's 13-day mission to the International Space Station."

UK ISP rejects BPI request. Glyn writes "One of the ISPs that the British recording industry tried to strong-arm into terminating customers' accounts on accusation of file-sharing has responded with an emphatic no. From the response: 'You have sent us a spreadsheet setting out a list of 17 IP addresses you allege belong to Tiscali customers, whom you allege have infringed the copyright of your members, together with the dates and times and with which sound recording you allege that they have done so. You have also sent us extracts of screenshots of the shared drive of one of those customers. You state that such evidence is "overwhelming". However, you have provided no actual evidence in respect of 16 of the accounts. Further, you have provided no evidence of downloading taking place nor have you provided evidence that the shared drive was connected by the relevant IP address at the relevant time. Similar requests we have dealt with in the past, have included such information and, indeed, the bodies conducting those investigations have felt that a court would consider it necessary to see such evidence, supported by sworn statements, before being able to grant any order.'"

Maine renews middle-school laptop program. markhb writes "The State of Maine has renewed its controversial 'Laptops for Middle-schoolers' program this week. Apple won the contract once again, this time for $41 million, and gets to provide another 36,000 brand-spanking-new iBooks. New this time around: all districts will be required to let the kids take the laptops home, and private and parochial schools will also be invited to join in the fun!"

British ID cards get a rethink. OutOfMyTree writes "The British ID card scheme will miss its planned roll-out date of 2008, according to leaked emails seen by the Sunday Times. In fact civil servants leading the project are afraid that if government ministers keep on 'ignoring reality' the whole mess may be bad enough to delay the acceptance of ID cards for another generation. The contracts already in place are in difficulties because of 'the amount of rethinking going on about identity management', and the escalating costs."

China to further regulate internet use. anaesthetica writes "Director of the Information Office of the State Council, Cai Wu, has announced that new internet control measures are needed. New initiatives include monitoring blogs and search engines, as well as mandatory cellphone and website registration. With 16 million bloggers and 97 million search engine users, the Chinese authorities see search engines as the 'choke point' for information. From the article: 'The potential new regulations, which are still in the discussion stage, are being considered at a time of exploding Internet and cellphone use that has created the freest atmosphere of communication this country has known under Communist rule, despite strenuous government efforts to contain it.'"

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  • by Kelson (129150) * on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:05PM (#15709448) Homepage Journal
    the producers are blaming the critics for giving it a bad review.

    OK, critics sometimes do miss the point. It's not uncommon for a newspaper to assign the critic who likes family dramas to review the latest sci-fi extravaganza, in which case a bad review means nothing more than that the critic wasn't in the target audience for the film.

    That said, if Lord of the Rings: The Musical really was as bad as the reviews suggested, the problem isn't the reviews, but the show. In that case, the bad reviews are only a symptom.

    Has anyone here seen the show? I remember the reviews were terrible, but Toronto is a little out of my way...

    • by Anonymous Coward
      I'm a pretty big fan of LOTR, and I saw the show with my family a few weeks ago.

      Its as marvelous a show as someone could make of LOTR. That being said, after seeing it I think LOTR just doesn't appear adapt well to live theatre. They spent tons of money on it, the choreography is astounding, etc, etc, and portions of it are actually from the books and weren't in the movies (kudos to the writers).

      But in the end, they know that its a double-edged sword: they get tickets because of the movies, but they get bad
    • LotR the musical (Score:5, Informative)

      by woozlewuzzle (532172) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:35PM (#15709590)
      My wife and I went to go see it in the spring and enjoyed it very much. Of course, we are both big LotR fans and know the story well. A large portion of the audience were seniors who get the tickets as part of their yearly subscription. Some walked out - there's know way you could follow the story without already knowing it ahead of time.

      As a show for fans of the stories, I'd recommend it. For people who just love good theatre - this probably isn't it. Everything you'd like in a show - character development, a clear story line, etc. just aren't there.
      • A large portion of the audience were seniors who get the tickets as part of their yearly subscription. Some walked out - there's know way you could follow the story without already knowing it ahead of time.

        Perhaps they thought they were going to see the sequel to Lord of the Dance.

        If that was the case, I'd leave too.
      • I saw it, and I'm a huge fan of both LotR and musicals. It wasn't good.

        I have an overly long post on my blog, but I'm not one for blog-whoring, so no link :)

        Short version:

        Pros:
        - visually stunning - Balrog, Ents, Riders, etc... excellent. Stage direction is fantastic.
        - great sound - theatre with surround sound is great
        - Elevators in the stage - makes mountains mountains, and hills are hills, battles range over a changing landscape.
        - they try to cover the major points in the book - razing of the shire is th
    • by Quiet_Desperation (858215) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:49PM (#15709629)

      I still remember some fool critic in the Los Angeles Times years ago criticizing an Iron Maiden album (Somewhere In Time) for having songs about weird topics (Alexander The Great, for example). He went on and on about how such topics were "nothing a teenager can sink their teeth into".

      If the dumbass did even 2 seconds of research on Iron Maiden, he would have learned that lots of their songs are like that, and that's, in fact, why a lot of people like them. So he criticized from ignorance, and also put down a whole class of people (teenagers) in the process.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      I saw it in its 4th week. I live in Toronto and bought a Mirvish series subscription just because of the LOTR. I sat through "Moving Out" as a result. Perhaps that is to everyone's taste, but I have discovered that I now intensely hate Billy Joel.

      Anyway, yes, I would argue that the LOTR onstage was pretty bad. It's long. Three acts. Over three hours. My wife did not make the third act.

      Visually, stunning. Seeing the Balrog at the end of Scene 1 was probably the best bit of the entire show. I would argue that
  • Sounds like Reuters committed a classic internet blunder: doing the very thing you're critisizing while critisizing it.

    Yay for ducktape, British ISPs with balls, and the State of Maine (why the hell are they getting iBooks though?).
    • Easier to administer, and no known viruses in the wild and both potential exploits were either patched before the exploit was noticed or within hours afterwards.

      When reliability is needed because kids are smart and will get around other defenses you don't want windows that break easily. hence why most schools have safety glass for their doors and windows.

    • by Kelson (129150) * on Wednesday July 12 2006, @08:03PM (#15709677) Homepage Journal
      Reuters committed a classic internet blunder: doing the very thing you're critisizing while critisizing it.

      Classic blunders.... Ah, yes! As I recall, the most famous is never get involved in a flame war in Asia....

    • You hit the nail on the head with the 'classic internet blunder' - people lambasting Reuters/AP/conventional media for their flaws when things like Wikipedia are just as flawed.

      Something something glass houses something something stones.

      • Sorry - did I miss something... did Wikipedia publish a hatchet-job indictment of AP?

        No, wait, it was yet another example of Old Media going after New Media.

        And proving in the process that while New Media may have its flaws, they aren't anything that Old Media doesn't also often suffer from. And that one of the true major differences between the two is that New Media tends to be more visible, transparent and honest about them when they occur.

        What was your point again?
    • Re:mwa ha ha (Score:4, Informative)

      by linguae (763922) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @08:25PM (#15709766)
      why the hell are they getting iBooks though

      Remember:

      • A great deal of educational software hasn't been made into Universal Binaries yet (and translating PPC code to x86 is a performance hit, although Rosetta is doing very well).
      • Speaking of software, some people in the education market haven't even moved off of Classic yet. (For example, at my university, the physics department still used a Classic application for physics motion diagrams. I saw Framemaker a few years ago at a graphics lab a year ago at a community college; to my knowledge, there is no OS X version of Framemaker. The physics department has invested in the Mac since the 80s; I once saw a stack of Macintosh SEs, SE/30s, Classics, and an old Power Mac 9600 around).

      A G4 Mac with Classic support would fit the education market's needs better, for now. Once OS X-ported software gets Universal Binary support, and once people finally let go of Classic, then we'll see the education market adopt the Intel Macs in much larger numbers. (With all PowerPC Macs except for the Power Mac G5 discontinued, Classic users better find or code alternatives to their programs if they intend on upgrading.)

    • Sounds like Reuters committed a classic internet blunder: doing the very thing you're critisizing while critisizing it.

      At least they didn't go in against a Sicilian when death was on the line!
  • by Pheersome (116234) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:14PM (#15709498)
    Oh noes, somebody at Reuters made a mistake! Amazing as this may sound, professional news organizations do issue corrections from time to time. Why am I not defending Wikipedia in the same statement? The charged and misleading language that appeared on Wikipedia was intentionally put up by some random person.

    "And journalism has sunk to a new low"? Come down off your high horse, Mr Unger.
    • The charged and misleading language that appeared on Wikipedia was intentionally put up by some random person.

      And? Some people are like that. After that, a great many people intentionally corrected the story and made sure it stayed that way.

      Wikipedia, mainstream encyclopedias and news make errors for differing reasons. All three have correction mechanisms that mostly work. Nobody would have made a big deal of the Reuters correction at all if it hadn't been dripping with irony. It's as if a grammar naz

    • Reuters and other traditional news organizations are threatened by Wikipedia and news blogs. The original article just looked like an opportunity to take some shots at wikipedia and was pretty lame. They frankly seem scared. It just seems extremely odd for them to report such a non-event.

      I think instead of attacking new forms of information delivery they should work on becoming a more credible news source. Mainstream media has become horrible in the past few years.
      • We could apply semi-protection, but at the same time you should have seen the article about the 7 July 2005 London bombings [wikipedia.org]. Speculation was rife with, at one point, a edit coming in every 1-2 seconds. However, by now we have a very factual and very informative article. It's not always good to place semi-protection on a rapidly evolving article.

        I think the bottom line, which everyone has so far missed, is that you should be checking your sources on Wikipedia before trusting it completely. I know I do, and I
  • Way to go (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MrShaggy (683273) <chrislightNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:19PM (#15709532) Homepage Journal
    ISP. Its nice to see someone not rolling over so easy. Maybe GOOGLE set precedent with the way they said no to the American government. Maybe this will be another 'just say no' generation :L
  • Errr... that would be MacBooks thank you.
    • Re:iBooks? (Score:4, Informative)

      by linguae (763922) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @08:32PM (#15709794)

      No, they are really getting iBooks. (The online Apple Store for Education at my school is still selling iBook G4s, even today). An end-of-the-line iBook would give you better performance at running PowerPC applications than a MacBook would (PPC emulation on a x86 results in a performance hit, although Rosetta seems to be handling the task well; and most big software packages won't have Universal Binaries until 2007). Remember that many education users still use Classic applications; you can't run Classic on an Intel Mac.

      Buying a PowerPC Mac today isn't a crazy idea, especially if you want something proven to be reliable (have you heard about the problems plauging the MacBook and MacBook Pro lately?) and works flawlessly with existing (and old) software.

    • Actually, no. It is iBooks, not MacBooks.

      Why?
      • iBooks are cheaper. They're costing about $289/yr. The MacBooks would be more expensive.
      • iBooks are more reliable. MacBooks are still getting the kinks worked out. You want to deal with recalling several thousand MacBooks?
      • Most software is still PowerPC. Why pay extra money to run emulated software?

      There's no need for the State of Maine to pay more money for hassles and reduced performance just to be on the bleeding edge. In four years, the kinks will be

      • Re:iBooks? (Score:3, Informative)

        I found a deployment page [maine.gov] on the MLTI site that has PDFs of all the materials that were sent out to the school systems. They are, indeed, as you say, G4 iBooks, with 1 GB RAM, OS X 10.4, a 40 GB hard drive and a new "online learning management system," StudyWiz [studywiz.com], preinstalled, whatever that is. Note that the StudyWiz website claims the software is being installed in "all schools in the state," which is just plain wrong (it's only the 7th and 8th grades that are getting the MLTI stuff).
  • ISP v BPI (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tx (96709) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:21PM (#15709540) Journal
    That's a strange one, because the ISP in question is well known to be p2p-unfriendly, in terms of blocking ports and throttling traffic. I'd have thought they'd be first in line to roll over for the BPI, can't help but wonder if their response is mainly for the good publicity it will generate.
    • Re:ISP v BPI (Score:4, Informative)

      by topham (32406) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:27PM (#15709557) Homepage

      Due to the Privacy regulations in the U.K. it wouldn't matter if they wanted to provide the data or not.

      They are not allowed.

      They need a court order.
    • Re:ISP v BPI (Score:5, Informative)

      by peragrin (659227) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:34PM (#15709584)
      Nope it's more they are covering their arse. read it again the BPI sent 17 notices, but 16 were lacking evidence. That means the 17th had enough evidence for the ISP lawyers to allow it to be "processed" in whatever the normal way is.

      the ISP is simply not going to be sued by their customers for canceling accounts when no proof of illegal activities were done. Provide the evidence, and they will comply.

      • read it again the BPI sent 17 notices, but 16 were lacking evidence. That means the 17th had enough evidence for the ISP lawyers to allow it to be "processed" in whatever the normal way is.

        Actually, they said 16 completely lacked evidence, and one had crappy evidence. They responded with a no for all 17.
  • by technoextreme (885694) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:22PM (#15709545)
    Im confused the bombardment of UV rays from the sun would mean that most plastic materials would turn into goop and become useless. Does that mean duct tape can withstand UV rays or is it just a kludge? I know there is certain tapes developed from NASA that I use every day but it isn't duct tape (It's Kapton tape).
    • by ClickOnThis (137803) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @08:07PM (#15709695) Journal
      Im confused the bombardment of UV rays from the sun would mean that most plastic materials would turn into goop and become useless. Does that mean duct tape can withstand UV rays or is it just a kludge? I know there is certain tapes developed from NASA that I use every day but it isn't duct tape (It's Kapton tape).

      First of all, they did actually use Kapton tape [octanecreative.com] for the repair. It appears that somehow the news reports have confused it with duct tape because both are carried on shuttle missions.

      I seriously doubt that duct tape is rated for outer space. It can withstand a wide temperature range (after all, it was designed to tape ducts, right?) but surely not as wide as Kapton (see the linked article.) Also, the adhesive on the tape has to be space-rated, and I'm not sure duct tape satisfies that requirement.

      Another issue for materials used in space: they must not release gasses when exposed to a vacuum. This is not so much of an issue for the shuttle and the astronauts (the space environment around the shuttle is pretty filthy already) but it is important for unmanned satellites with sensitive instruments that can pick up such gasses as false readings of the space environment. Even a fingerprint on a surface exposed to a vacuum can cause a problem -- another good reason to assemble everything in a clean room and wear gloves. IIRC, Kapton satisfies all of these requirements, and I really doubt duct tape would. You can smell duct tape, so I suppose it would outgas in a vacuum like crazy, especially if you let it heat up.
    • I thought I read somewhere that NASA does use some special tapes, that it's not generic duct tape.
  • by crow (16139) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:31PM (#15709572) Homepage Journal
    Obviously the story was intended as a slam on Wikipedia, but I read it as just the opposite. The story was breaking, and within a very short time, the Wikipedia article evolved into something respectable. Sure, it took some wrong turns, but they didn't last for more than a few minutes. Reuters described Wikipedia working exactly the way it is supposed to work.
  • by mrcaseyj (902945) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:35PM (#15709587)
    Anyone who thinks Wikipedia is reliable is crazy. Whether it's more or less reliable than traditional sources is irrelevant. Wikipedia is a revolutionary and extremely valuable means of information distribution. It's complementary to other sources. I don't think it's misleading, because they're very up front about where the information comes from (i.e. anybody). I fear that if it gets as popular as say google, that it may be destroyed by the same kind of manipulation that ravages the search engines.
    • by epine (68316) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @08:16PM (#15709727)
      This tripe gets upgraded as informative? If that post passes as "information" we hardly need to begin debating the Wikipedia.

      the same kind of manipulation that ravages the search engines

      Not displayed two nerve cells to rub together. Sesame Street goes to a lot of trouble to teach "same" and "different". They only fail in one respect: to point out that it is a lifelong learning project.

      What search engine has a centralized, permanent revision history log with a "one click" undo-abuse button? What makes the Wikipedia situation the same as the search engine or spam or blog abuse problems? I can answer that question: approaching the situation with roughly the same level of intellectual accuity required to analyze the plot in Pirates of the Caribbean. They are good guys trying to get something done. There are bad guys who would like to game the system to their advantage. The bad guys have a revenue stream from their sales of creams and extensions. Good guys respond valiantly. Bad guys scale up faster than good guys, because they have more money to burn, and fewer scruples. Good guys hang heads and mope and tell teary stories about the sad end of the good old days.

      Fast forward to reality. Bad guys orchestrate 10,000 spambots to hack the Wikipedia. Really pissed of Wikipedia PHP programmer writes script to auto-revert wholesale damage. Another small roadblock is soon erected to prevent "new user" accounts from making certain kinds of edits visible immediately. Bad guys crawl back into dark hole and return to their original campaign of identity fraud against the hopeless banking establishment that came up with the idea that making purchases over the phone by reciting a fixed string of credit-card digits was a good security mechanism.

      Get a grip, people. Wikipedia is far harder to abuse than the payment system adopted by the world's richest and most powerful banking institutions. Yes, there will be some outages and growing pains. No, Wikipedia will not degenerate into a spam slum overnight, or anytime soon. Wikipedia is presently most vulnerable to DOS attacks not outright manipulation. Until Google volunteers to host the front-end squid-cache layer. The edit layer can be partially filtered to prioritize access from long-time editors in good standing. Collatoral damage to long-time Wikipedians trying to edit from behind the AOL proxy server. Great outpouring of grief. World comes to an end.

          • >IMO, search engines, such as Google, return better results now than Yahoo!, Lycos, or Altavista returned in 1996.

            Which part of 1996? I don't remember which years but if my memory serves me, search quality degraded very rapidly when searching became popular. At one point, before I found out about Google, I had basically given up on search engines because they barely returned anything but garbage. Google was revolutionary, but it's nothing compared to what it would be if they didn't have to fight spamme

  • by Eric Smith (4379) * <ericNO@SPAMbrouhaha.com> on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:58PM (#15709660) Homepage Journal
    That's over $1138 per laptop. Doesn't sound like a very good deal to me, especially for that large a quantity. I just bought an HP Pavilion dv5210us at Fry's for $649, and there's a $50 mail-in rebate. I'm fairly sure that if I called HP to try to place an order for 36,000 of them, the price would be even better. It has a 15 inch LCD with 1280x800 resolution, an AMD Turion ML-34 processor (64 bit, 1.8 GHz), 512MB of RAM, and a 60GB hard drive. It came with Windows XP Home, though the first thing I did was to replace that with Fedora Core 5. Anyhow, what's so wonderful about the laptops Apple is supplying for this contract that makes them worth almost twice the price?

    I'm sure some of you are going to say "Mac OS", but I'm not at all convinced that Mac OS is a win for educational users, as there appears to be a far better selection of educational software for Windows.

    If I was a Maine taxpayer, I think I'd be calling and writing my state legislators demanding an investigation.

    • by larkost (79011) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @08:26PM (#15709767)
      And that investigation would reveal that Apple is also providing servers, wireless nodes (carts), service for the duration, training for the teachers (god help those poor trainers), and extensive support. I think your math is missing some components.
    • Are you using iBook ($949 for 12", $1199 for 14"; those are education prices) prices or MacBook prices? If you were using iBook prices, then I would definitely agree with your argument. If you were using MacBook prices, then that would be unfair. Your Pavillion isn't dual core and doesn't have the features that the MacBook has. (Now, if that Pavillion had a dual core processor of that speed for that price, then I'll make a special trip to Fry's one of these weekends....).

      • He's using 41,000,000/36,000=1138 and change.

        and while many defend it as "wiring the schools and training the teachers, etc". If you bought 36,000 laptops at $650 a pop (thats retail you'd definitely get a better price buying bulk) Its only 23,040,000. thats 18,000,000 in "wiring fees".
        at 300 kids per middle school (rough estimate) thats 120 schools. Setting up wireless access points and 120 servers should not cost 18,000,000.

        Even if HP only knocked the price down $50, thast another 1.8 million. No apple i
  • by cagle_.25 (715952) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @07:58PM (#15709661) Journal
    And in yet another ironic twist, attempting to follow the link to the source of the Reuters story on Wiki results in 403 - Forbidden.


    I guess a good source is impossible to find.

  • civil liberties (Score:3, Interesting)

    by v1 (525388) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @08:00PM (#15709669) Homepage Journal
    Isn't it strange how while the Chinese people are gaining and exercising new civil liberties despite the government, here in the US we are losing our civil liberties to the government, just about as fast as the Chinese are gaining them.

    I wonder when they'll catch up with us?
    • "the Chinese people are gaining and exercising new civil liberties despite the government"

      First of all, it's literally impossible to gain new civil liberties despite the government. By definition, civil liberties are laws that protect the individual from the government. If the government does not pass laws that protect the individual (or it chooses not to abide by such laws) you can try to step out of the way of the jackboot, but that doesn't mean you're exercising new civil liberties.

      Second, what the hell
  • by Strolls (641018) on Wednesday July 12 2006, @09:49PM (#15710159)
    This is the most positive news I have ever encountered with respect to Tiscali. My personal experience is with hours of phonecalls to their useless technical support over customers' ADSL connections.

    But in this case, I think Tiscali did only one thing wrong in their letter The British Phonographic Industry Limited [craphound.com].... they should have added "please feel free to phone us to discuss this further"

    I can just imagine the conversation now:

    Tech support: my name is Sanjay, how can I help you?
    <listens>
    Tech support: so these people have been pirating your music? Have you tried reinstalling your modem drivers?
    • Errr, we still had to wait till Wikipedia corrected it - it's just that WP had more people around who /could/ correct it. And then uncorrect it. And then reinsert same information more subtlely to escape detection while pushing their own cause.

      Your "point" has little to do with Reuters. If noone bothers to correct errors in Wikipedia, and some amazingly big errors have stood untouched in it for a long time, it'll remain like that forever.

      Lest you think I'm a WP-hater, quite the opposite - I'm a regular cont

    • Re:Robots in space (Score:4, Insightful)

      by StrawberryFrog (67065) on Thursday July 13 2006, @04:15AM (#15711288) Homepage Journal
      A perfect example of why the argument "robots are just as good as humans at space exploration" doesn't work. When was the last time a robot came up with an "ingenious quick fix"?

      When was the last time that a fault on a robot/remotely controlled craft cost human lives? Robots are expendable.

      When was the last time that a robot craft had to make the dangerous and expensive return journey to the Earth's surface? Robots have the advantage of not needing to do so unless there is a sample to return.

      When was the last time that a craft with humans on board went to the surface of Mars or among the moons of Saturn? Robots have done both.

      Robots are not "just as good as humans at space exploration" - their proven track record is that they have done so very much more. And that gap will only widen - the standard of robots is improving faster than the standard of human.