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Patient Revives After 19 Years By Rewiring Brain
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on Tue Jul 04, 2006 08:57 AM
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dylanduck writes "A study of the recovery of a man who spent 19 years in a minimally conscious state has revealed the likely cause of his regained consciousness - his brain rewired itself around the injured areas into totally novel structures. It suggests the human brain shows far greater potential for recovery and regeneration then ever suspected." From the article: "There were ... significant changes between scans taken just two months after the recovery, and the most recent, at 18 months. Some of the new pathways had receded again, while others seem to have strengthened and taken over as Wallis continued to improve."
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So, did he get X-ray vision? (Score:5, Funny)
Well, it IS possible! Right?
Re:So, did he get X-ray vision? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:So, did he get X-ray vision? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:So, did he get X-ray vision? (Score:5, Funny)
If surviving a period makes you better, that would explain women.
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Re:So, did he get X-ray vision? (Score:4, Funny)
Apparently the lesson hasn't quite sunk in yet...
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Damn typical slashdot stories (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Damn typical slashdot stories (Score:5, Funny)
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Obligatory Emo Phillips (Score:4, Funny)
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Please note... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Please note... (Score:4, Interesting)
Not to harsh on you (especially since you wrote in at 9am), but I'd love it if the 'we only use 10% of our brains' meme would die, die, die!!!! already. It's not even superficially true; what is true is that a very large part of the brain structure is used for wiring instead of for information storage, but how would one get a functional device if all it had was memory and no processing circuits? The structure itself, one might imagine, is where the the lower order (and probably some higher order) information processing algorithms are 'stored'; that these structures only take up approximately 90% of the total machine is astonishing.
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Re:Please note... (Score:5, Informative)
See http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm [snopes.com] for more info.
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Re:Nope. (Score:4, Funny)
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Yeah but can he see the future? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yeah but can he see the future? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Yeah but can he see the future? (Score:4, Funny)
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Umm... psychic? (Score:4, Funny)
I guess it depends on what kind of psychic you're talking about... but I would assume the ability to recieve and broadcast... In which case it would be the perfect cover. Who's going to suspect the guy in the almost-coma of being the one secretly controlling the world, eh?
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Most interesting... (Score:4, Funny)
Terri Schiavo... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Terri Schiavo... (Score:5, Informative)
Thanks for taking one for team and saying what everyone else was thinking. But just in case anyone is really thinking there's an important parallel there or anything, remember that her case was substantially different: most of her brain was literally dead and gone - actually a mush of fluid. Rewiring "around" an injured area (as in the case cited) depends upon having surrounding brain material that's still viable. She was coasting on real low-level left-overs, and there simply wasn't a platform for that sort of recovery.
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Re:Terri Schiavo... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's also important to remember that the brain is not ALL just undifferentiated mush, but has all sort of specialized areas that cannot be replaced by other specialized areas. The guy in this article has damage to some of those areas, and more importantly ther breaking of important connections BETWEEN areas, but not a total loss of any area: they still had functioning sections that rewired and worked overtime to compensate. However, if both of your hippocampi die, it's not like your amygdala is suddenly going to switch over and start performing their functions.
This case has been paraded around because of the Schiavo case, but in doing so its only illuminated how medically ignorant some people are: they don't care about the specifics, or learning about how the brain works, and they lump together uncertainties about one area of knowledge about the brain (its ability to create new connections to repair damage, which contrary to the sort of hyperbolic claims of the article, we've always known is pretty plastic and this is just an extreme example) and try to pretend that raise questions about a completely different area of knowledge: all without acknowledging that there are any key differences or even thinking about them.
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Re: Dude, where's my hemisphere? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Terri Schiavo... (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:Terri Schiavo... (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Terri Schiavo... (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:Terri Schiavo... (Score:5, Informative)
A hemispherectomy removes up to half of the cerebrum. To be technically alive you only need an operating brain stem. The brain stem isn't plastic though -- it won't rewire itself to make you conscious again. Only the cerebrum can do that.
So the difference between Terri Schiavo and this guy is that Ms. Schiavo had a devastated cerebrum and enough brian stem left to keep her sort of alive. This guy had some localized damage that happened to be in a critical area.
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Yes! (Score:5, Funny)
Neuronal remodeling (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Neuronal remodeling (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Neuronal remodeling (Score:5, Insightful)
Your friend's case is sort of like spontaneously repairing a cut trace on the motherboard of a computer. This case is more like the extra floating point unit in the processor reconfiguring itself to replace a damaged instruction decoder.
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Limiting factors in rewiring rates? (Score:4, Interesting)
We can rebuild him.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Except for Rip Van Winkle, I don't think that a 19 year period of repair and adaption would really lend itself to survival. Not to say that this isn't miraculous, but, I'm sure the recovery time will be significant.
Besides, would you really want to wake up 20 years older, with years of rehabilitation to look forward to? I would be more concerned with the ethics of keeping someone alive for that long.
Re:We can rebuild him.... (Score:5, Informative)
He's four years old now, and I would love if my son, at any age, woke up one day and started to learn the things he's missed (talking, crawling and then walking, etc). My wife and I read a lot about brain injury and the possibility of his recovery. The nature of his injury always gives me hope that because the damaged areas are so small, it may be easier for his brain to compensate.
Unfortunately, because of the state of medical research in the USA (stem cell especially), My family is probably going to have to travel to another country to take advantage of any treatments that may be developed in the next few years.
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TFA: Rip Van Winkle (Score:4, Interesting)
I was in a real bad wreck in 1976, my brain hardly worked for a year or more, but I got better. I wonder what a scan of it would look like? Would it be wierdly wired like this guy's?
Few people I know would be surprised to find my brain was wired wierd.
Since then, the thought has occurred to me that I could have actually gone into a coma and the last forty years could have been a dream. But then, any of you could have had an accident and not know it, and be dreaming this. So there's little point in not behaving as if reality is real, especially considering the incredibly high probability that this IS real.
I wonder if he dreamed?
Oblig. Simpsons (Score:5, Funny)
NEWSIE:
Tonight, on Eyewitness News: a man who's been in a coma for 19 years wakes up.
MAN:
Do Sonny and Cher still have that stupid show?
NEWSIE:
No, uh, she won an Oscar, and he's a Congressman.
MAN:
Good night! [Turns over and dies.]
Reminds me of an update to an old joke (Score:4, Funny)
So this guy's in coma for 19 years, and he wakes up, and he asks, "How's President Reagan doing?" And the doctor says, "Sir, Reagan is dead." And the guy says, "Oh God, no, that means Bush is President!"
(The original was Eisenhower and Nixon. The more things change
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Poor guy (Score:4, Interesting)
I mean think about it, last time he was awake was in 1987. The world has changed ALOT since then... I wonder how I'd feel?
"Internet? What's that? Computers, those are the huge things that big businesses and the government use, right?"
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El bulto (Score:5, Interesting)
It was called "El bulto" [imdb.com] (the bag). Very interesting movie.
The brain is amazing, the younger the better (Score:4, Interesting)
Mind boggling
TV Show? (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes, he's no longer in a coma, but he is far from functional.
Delta brain wave (Score:4, Funny)
There is more to the story of Terry Wallis (Score:5, Informative)
The story itself has woken up in 2006, for reasons unknown. You can find a better article than the one of the front page at http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060703/full/06070
This everything2 article is probably the best I found about Terry, including updates from 2004: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=14758
Also, some updates on the family's fight with health services, from 2005: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/6/2
Re:I, for one... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:I, for one... (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:TERRI SCHIAVO (December 3, 1963 - March 31, 200 (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:TERRI SCHIAVO (December 3, 1963 - March 31, 200 (Score:5, Funny)
You, sir, or madam, are embarrasingly stupid.
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Re:This is why I'm against organ transplants (Score:5, Insightful)
But I agree it would be pretty shitty to wake up and find half your body gone to organ donation. The recent successful face transplant in France used part of the face of a brain dead patient. Imagine waking up to be told you'd had your face removed and given to someone else!
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Medical bill (Score:5, Insightful)
a) When he looks into a mirror his face will be 19 years older... from 19 to 38 kinda sucks
b) His muscle mass will be negligable. After being in a cast for only 3-4 weeks after an ankle break my leg muscles had shrunk and strength decreased noticably
c) He's got a lot of educational catching up to do. Hopefully he worked as a carpenter, plumber, or some other job where old skills are still useful with some upgrading (if he was into computers 19 years ago he's gonna be way behind)
d) Likely there's still a bit of other funkiness with his body after 19 years and major brain damage.
e) Scientists are going to poke and prod him to research this regeneration.
On the plus side:
a) Medicine should be a bit better than it was then
b) Technology in many cases will be pretty cool. Even if he's bedridden for a long time it'll likely be a wonder for him to try out a modern console
c) That first post-vegetitive shower is going to be really nice
d) Add to that a real dinner after being on hospital food and drips for 19 years...
e) Somebody with a brain that regenerates that well will be of interest to science, which is annoying but possibly good for paying the bills.
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Re:At the risk of fanning a fire... (Score:5, Insightful)
Blow that for a game of soldiers. If I woke up after 19 years in a coma, my first question would be why didn't someone hadn't pulled the plug/ removed the tube yet.
A full recovery never happens, except in movies. People don't just wake up from a coma. The damage affects them for the rest of their lives. After 19 years, the person you knew would be a stranger to you anyway, and there's not much of that person left.
I wouldn't want anyone close to me to waste their lives praying over a vegetable for 19 years in the hope that a half-me will wake up to be taken care of in much the same way. There comes a point when modern medicine stops saving people's lives and is simply prolonging suffering, both for the victim and their family. It's not easy to gauge when that line gets crossed, but when it has been, its time to let go.
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Re:At the risk of fanning a fire... (Score:5, Informative)
While Schiavo was in a vegetative state and had no hope for recovery, this man was in a minimally conscious state. If this man had been in a persistent vegetative state, he would not be recovering (albeit very slowly and with little hope of his former abilities) today. It is a significant mistake to equate these two states.
Would there ever be a chance S[c]hiavo could've recovered like this man did?
No.
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