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India Launches World's First Stereo Imaging Satellite

Posted by CmdrTaco on Wed May 04, 2005 02:15 PM
from the zombies-look-so-real-in-three-dee dept.
sgups writes "India will tomorrow inaugurate a new launch pad at its Satish Dhawan space port near Chennai, on the south-east coast, by putting the world's first stereographic mapping satellite into orbit. The most innovative feature of the 1.6-tonne Cartosat-1 is its pair of cameras, which will give stereo images of the earth's surface that can distinguish features down to 2.5 metres across. They will directly generate three-dimensional maps that have until now been achievable only indirectly, by combining data from a large number of satellite passes over the same place. "Such a stereographic imaging system does not exist in the civil sector anywhere else," says Mr Nair, chairman of the Bangalore-based Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro). "It will give information about heights that will be very useful in applications such as planning power lines." Cartosat-1 will join what is already the world's largest cluster of non-military remote sensing satellites. Six Indian spacecraft are already observing the earth with a wide range of instruments."
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:16PM (#12434292)
    But HIFI stereo, which means it has the highest level of fidelity available. It also sports an 8-track.
  • by LouCifer (771618) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:17PM (#12434310)
    ...will be off-shored to China.

  • by robslimo (587196) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:18PM (#12434325) Homepage Journal
    do the cameras have to be to get a proper parallax?
    • by G4from128k (686170) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:43PM (#12434573)
      Getting proper parallax from 620 km is a bit tricky. The cameras would need to be many km apart to get good stereo (31 km camera baseline is equivalent to the parallax that human eyes have at 1 meter).

      Instead, I suspect that the parallax is achieved by having two cameras that point slightly different angles. One points down and forward along the track of the satellite, the other points down and backward. Thus, as the satellite passes overhead, the same spot on the ground is seen by the two cameras in succession from different parts of the orbit.

      For purposes of get topo data on fixed objects, its more than adequate. Given that the satellite is moving about 8 km/sec, it traverses the needed baseline for stereo in only a few seconds. This is not enough time for the scene to have changed that much.
  • Heights? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Neil Blender (555885) <neilblender@gmail.com> on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:19PM (#12434330)
    Uh, can't they already determine heights to high degree of accuracy with GPS or other radio wave methods? How would a picture be more accurate?
    • "Uh, can't they already determine heights to high degree of accuracy with GPS or other radio wave methods?"

      Yes, but they're not passive. You either have to send an energy wave down or somebody holding a GPS unit. This satellite could get that data passively.

      "How would a picture be more accurate?"

      I didn't RTFA so I don't know the context of the word 'Accurate'. I can tell you, though, that I've seen stereoscopic images taken from airplanes travelling over .. uh.. bombing targets. The imagery was am
    • No (Score:3, Informative)

      GPS altitude is not very accurate, (could easily be off by 10+ meters) but that's not the point. If you need to get accurate relative elevations, you need stereo or radar/lidar. Stereo is VERY accurate, but very labor intensive and you get elevations off the tops of trees, not the ground. (makes a big difference when putting up a power line) Radar penetrates, but is very expensive and technically sophisticated to build and process, and you can end up with a LOT of wierd artifacts. LIDAR is VERY ACCURAT
    • Uh, can't they already determine heights to high degree of accuracy with GPS or other radio wave methods?

      Yes.

      How would a picture be more accurate?

      Well, among the most accurate topographical maps available are from the Shuttle Radar Topography [usgs.gov] mission, which gave us the entire earth at roughly 30-m resolution, with a height precision of about 16 meters.

      India's new satellite has 2.5-meter resolution, and its vertical accuracy after proper stereoscopic matching would be of the same order of magnitude so
  • I don't get (Score:4, Interesting)

    by JohnFluxx (413620) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:19PM (#12434331)
    I don't get. If it's not a geosync, then it's going to be moving, so they could just use 2 images from a few seconds apart to get the required images. No?

  • by Jerf (17166) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:24PM (#12434379) Journal
    I'm going to assume the satellite designers knew what they were doing and there is some good reason for this.

    That said, given the resolution with which we know the position of a given satellite, and the low resolution of the source image in this case, what advantage does using two cameras give you, vs. taking one camera and snapping two pictures in quick succession?

    Maybe they can't be snapped quickly enough? But then, you'd think the larger parallax would be helpful, not harmful.) I know consumer cameras have the basic tech now to take a snapshot of the CCD state and process it later, that tech ought to scale right with the CCD resolution, whatever it is.

    Maybe this is so you can choose the parallax direction, instead of the orbit forcing your choice? Does the image processing need the parallax to show up in some particular direction relative to the light source to work?

    Honest questions; knowledgeable answers appreciated. (As you can see, I can talk out of my ass too :-), I'm looking for something a little more informed.)
    • Why two cameras needed?

      I didn't have anything to do with the design of this, but I have to assume that two cameras are necessary because you'd have to tilt the camera otherwise. Normally, a satcam is pointed straight down. If you get two images a few meters apart, you can't derive much z-axis data from them. With the cameras tilted so that they converge at the approximate height of the sat, you can derive z-axis information and work out the height of items on the ground.

      Of course, you don't *need* two
    • by UnknowingFool (672806) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @03:26PM (#12435078)
      what advantage does using two cameras give you, vs. taking one camera and snapping two pictures in quick succession?

      For a parallel example, try to take a picture of the ground from a moving vehicle at 10mph. To get a decently clear and detailed picture, your film speed would have to be high. Now try to get a stereographic image of an ant hill from overhead while moving from a vehicle at 10mph. With one camera you'd have to take fast pictures and move the camera angle without motion blur. As an alternative you could take one picture, change the angle, and pass over the ant hill a second time.

      Applying those techniques to satellite imagery doesn't work well. The satellite can't rotate fast enough considering how fast it is passing over a target area. Using 2 passes does work but that unfortunately expends fuel to change the position of the satellite every time. So the lifetime of the satellite is sharply reduced unless it is serviced in space. Rarely are satellites ever serviced. Those that are serviced (Hubble, ISS, etc) have to be extremely important.

    • knowledgeable answers appreciated

      You must be new here.
    • by Jerf (17166) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @03:37PM (#12435210) Journal
      Langolier posted the correct answer [slashdot.org] with info not available in the FA.

      Everyone who posted before this is encouraged to be a little more careful providing answers in the future. (All four that I can see are not only wrong, in the sense they don't contain the correct explanation, but also in the sense that they contain serious technical errors.)
  • by Langolier (470727) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:25PM (#12434384) Homepage
    Though it does not say this in the article, it is not the distance between the two cameras on the satellite that produces 3D imagery. The cameras will be pointed in slightly different directions, so that the image taken by one camera at time t will be paired with the image taken by the second camera at time t+x, where the satellite has traveled probably tens of miles in time x. The second camera is pointed slightly "backwards", so that it takes pictures of the same area that the first camera was shooting x seconds ago.

    This is just supposition, based on the fact that two cameras on a satellite would not be far enough apart to generate parallax.

    • by starfishsystems (834319) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:40PM (#12434527) Homepage
      This is just supposition, based on the fact that two cameras on a satellite would not be far enough apart to generate parallax.

      Makes sense, though. According to the article, the orbit is at 620km. To obtain 1.0 degrees of stereo separation would require cameras placed 10.8km apart.

        • But parallax is measured with respect to a given point. That point is being measured relative to a surface 620 km away, the only difference being its height.

          The curvature of the surface is not relevant to the calculation, thus neither is the radius of the earth. To consider the extreme cases, the surface could be absolutely flat (radius infinite), or it could be a point (radius zero). Either way, your two cameras are still 620km away from that surface. The object is still at some other distance which

    • ...it is not the distance between the two cameras on the satellite that produces 3D imagery.
      Right...it's actually the cheap cardboard glasses over the camera lense with red and blue filters...
    • If that's the case, why are two cameras necessary? I supposed it could result in more speed and flexibility, but it sounds as though the same thing can be done with careful aiming and timing using just one camera.
  • by analysethis (868648) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:25PM (#12434385)
    I knew they were big into offshoring but...
  • Three Corner Sat (Score:4, Interesting)

    by eggbert.net (217798) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:28PM (#12434409) Homepage
    Over the summer and last semester I worked in a nano-satellite lab at ASU. The most recent satellite of ours that was launched was Three Corner Sat and one of its primary mission objective was sterio imaging.

    http://threecornersat.jpl.nasa.gov/ [nasa.gov]
    http://nasa.asu.edu/ [asu.edu]
    https://spacegrant.colorado.edu/tiki-index.php?pag e=3CS [colorado.edu]

    Unfortunately, the two of our satellites that got launched were released at 50,000 km instead of 100,000 km so they burnt up before they could power up.

    http://www.spacetoday.net/Summary/2737 [spacetoday.net]
  • Ugly Rumor (Score:3, Funny)

    by Number6.2 (71553) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:31PM (#12434438) Homepage Journal
    Any truth to the rumor that they're going to oursource their call center to a US firm?

    I'm kidding!
  • by rewinn (647614) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:32PM (#12434453) Homepage
    ... hopefully with Dolby!
  • by SuperBanana (662181) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:34PM (#12434473)
    "It will give information about heights that will be very useful in applications such as planning power lines."

    Um...right. Like decades if not centuries of maps can't help there. Besides, I would think that in a country as large as India, they'd be focusing on localized power generation.

    Sorry, but this sounds like a really lame excuse for lobbing a satellite up there to spy on Pakistan, with a happy-go-lucky PR spin so the average citizen thinks "oh, another satellite that will be useful!" Yessir, routing power lines.

    Not like the US hasn't done the same thing- the majority of shuttle missions were for either admitted, or "disguised-as-scientific-experimentation" military satellites.

    • by Lord Omlette (124579) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @10:25PM (#12438238) Homepage
      Like decades if not centuries of maps can't help there.
      There's a really good book called The Great Hedge of India [roymoxham.com] that touches on this sort of thing. Basically, in India, everything moves around so much that maps are worthless after a couple of years.

      I'm not saying you're wrong about Pakistan though, just that you're wrong about archived maps of India...
  • by Critter92 (522977) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:36PM (#12434493)
    Due to spacecraft (or aircraft) motion, stereo pairs are generated along the flightpath if sequential images overlap. In many systems, each image n generates overlap with both image n+1 and n+2. Given the ability to launch two cameras, why not launch a single camera with more capabilities? Another minor, and common, error is that the Cartosat-1 has a 2.5m pixel on its CCD, which does not transalate into a 2.5m "resolution." CCD resolution corresponds to Ground Sampled Distance (GSD), or the amount of ground sampled on one pixel. Ground resolved distance, (GRD), measures the highest frequency visible in the image and is what we normally think of as "resolution." As a result, for electro optical systems, GRD = 2 x GSD.
  • by cerulean_blue99 (881404) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:41PM (#12434542)
    Perhaps I'm not understanding how the submitter is using the term "non-military", and not to wave Uncle Sam's flag too much, but offhand I can think of more than six US RS platforms/sensors:

    EOS/Terra/MODIS http://modis.gsfc.nasa.gov/ [nasa.gov]
    Landsat ETM+ http://landsat.gsfc.nasa.gov/ [nasa.gov]
    Landsat MSS (yes still going)
    AVHRR http://daac.gsfc.nasa.gov/data/dataset/AVHRR/ [nasa.gov]
    GOES http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ [noaa.gov]
    ASTER http://asterweb.jpl.nasa.gov/ [nasa.gov]

    Not to mention US based commercial satellites:

    IKONOS http://www.spaceimaging.com/ [spaceimaging.com]
    Quickbird URL:http://www.digitalglobe.com/
  • by Ancient_Hacker (751168) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:46PM (#12434598)
    There's probably TWO cameras, one for visible light, one for infrared. Not two cameras for binocular vision. The two "eyes" would be too close together for any usable stereoscopic effect.
  • This isn't the first stereographic satellite that's accessible to the general public; that would be MISR [nasa.gov] - NASA's Multi-angle Imaging Spectroradiometer, built by JPL, with nine cameras pointed in different directions along its direction of travel in polar orbit, ranging from nadir (straight down) to 70 degrees in either direction. Compared to India's new high-resolution satellite, MISR seems very low resolution - 275 meters per pixel - however, it covers the entire surface of the Earth every few days and all of the data is available for free at this resolution, while India's satellite is "targeting"; it only images a particular area when it is programmed to do so. MISR is used primarily to study clouds and aerosols.

    To see some 3-D images taken by MISR or some animations of its 9 cameras' views of different scenes, check out their gallery [nasa.gov].
  • by leighklotz (192300) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @05:42PM (#12436360) Homepage
    The same rocket launch also put into place ham satellite [deepikaglobal.com] for use in South Asia. There are other satellites available for personal use (AMSAT [amsat.org] has several, including (Echo 51 [amsat.org]) but VUSat [amsat.org] is focused on use from India and South Asia.
    • by RealAlaskan (576404) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:33PM (#12434461) Homepage Journal
      3D from Space with 2.5m resolution. You could...

      See who keeps sneaking their $&^%@ trash into your can.

      At 2.5 meter resolution? You must have some FAT neighbors.

    • by nizo (81281) * on Wednesday May 04 2005, @02:36PM (#12434486) Homepage Journal
      can distinguish features down to 2.5 metres across.

      If they could only get a little better resolution, I can imagine they could pull in some cash by taking pictures of nude beaches. You would think that by now the first thought with new tech would be, "how can I use this for porn?"

    • Get cool 3D images of Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Everest, Uluru, etc.

      Don't get too excited. The process of extracting 3d depth from a pair of 2d pictures is shockingly more difficult than one would initially expect. Given the 2d positions of the same point in both cameras, it is trvial to find the 3d depth, but in practice the problem of finding the corresponding points is extremely difficult. (It is called the 'correspondence problem' and can justifiably be called the holy grail of the field of Computer
    • If they spent their entire GDP on literacy, housing, healthcare, etc so that every Indian citizen would read, write, have a place to live, and food to eat, they wouldn't have any money for technological programs. At that point, people would lament how "backwards" the country was because it was existing largely on 19th century technology.

      India has a population of 1,065,070,607 [google.com] whereas the US has a poulation of 293,027,571 [google.com]

      52% of 1,065,070,607 is 553,836,715 and 97% of 293,027,571 is 284,236,743. That m

    • Where'd you get those numbers?

      Google shows their budget to be somewhere around $3.3 billion US over 5 years or about $650m.

      Given nasa's budget of $16 billion US, and the US's population of 300m, per capita income of $30k VS india's 1b population at $3k per capita...

      The amount of tax [compared to per capita income] needed to fund the space programs are nearly identical. (around .0002% of their yearly income if my math is correct)
    • "Isro's budget is $450m annually, 40% of which is spent on Indian industry." [bbc.co.uk] India's population is five times that of the US. With such a high population and such a low space research budget, what impact do you think it has on the per capita tax ?

      I had enough of "but there are starving people there" comments about India. India is a developed nation as far as intellectual capital is concerned. If the Indian government completely ignored this segment of the population, they would simply emigrate.
    • Re:All this... (Score:4, Informative)

      by peacelife (228905) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @04:25PM (#12435723)
      No, the taxes are not that high - the highest income tax slab is slightly higher than 30%. The cost of living is much lower in India than in the US, so unless you factor that in, any assumptions/comparisons you make are likely to be wrong. But you have got me thinking about the military expenditures of both the countries. The Bush administration is asking for about $419 billion [armscontrolcenter.org] for its military. That is a truly humungous amount. What do you do with it? That alone is half the global military spending!

      And a nitpick which will hopefully bring this post back on topic - the average literacy you mentioned is wrong. It is 64.8% [censusindia.net] according to the 2001 census. The number you gave was for 1991. 14 years can make a lot of difference in a country like India, even given its huge population.

      • According to the studies that I recall, something on the order of 30% of Americans were functionally illiterate. That basically means they can't understand a written text (except sufficiently dumbed down content, of course) even though technically they are able of reading it.
    • by GillBates0 (664202) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @03:29PM (#12435117) Homepage Journal
      I know it's all hep and stylish to bash India as a "third world country" nowadays, because many Americans perceive "offshoring" our "outsourcing" as a mean scheme by Indians to "steal aar jaabs", but I would like to mention a few things:

      1. The Indian economy [wikipedia.org] happens to be the 12th largest in terms of GDP and 4th largest when adjusted for PPP (Purchasing Power Parity [wikipedia.org]). I quote from the Wikipedia article:

      With a GDP of 568 billion (B$) ($3.096 trillion (T$) at PPP) India has the world's 12th largest economy (and the 4th largest when adjusted for PPP). However, the large population means that per capita income is quite low. In 2003 the World Bank ranked India 143rd in PPP per capita income and 160th in real terms, among 208 countries and territories.

      2. India has (through the Indian Space Research Organization [isro.org]) pursued a pretty widespread (and largely non-military space program) since the 60's. From this relevant Wikipedia article: [wikipedia.org]

      # 1962: Indian National Committee for Space Research (INCOSPAR); formed by the Department of Atomic Energy, and work on establishing Thumba Equatorial Rocket Launching Station (TERLS) near Trivandrum began.
      # 1963: First sounding rocket launched from TERLS (November 21, 1963).
      # 1965: Space Science & Technology Centre (SSTC) established in Thumba.
      # 1967: Satellite Telecommunication Earth Station set up at Ahmedabad.
      # 1972: Space Commission and Department of Space set up.
      # 1975: First Indian Satellite, Aryabhatta, launched (April 19, 1975).

      It's also fruitful to note that India was a British colony till 1947. IMHO, starting a space program in about 1.5 decades after gaining independence is a laudable achievement. The major problem which India faces today is it's large population, which pretty much negates all the economic advances, and causes it's perception as a "thirld world country" to continue.

      It is also worth noting that India seems to be spending substantial amounts of money to improve it's people's lot and advancing education, science and research, rather than spending it instead on aggressive military tactics, which seems to be the trend nowadays. If you read up the history of the nation, you'll see that it's one of the few countries that has never pursued invasion/colonialism, and has instead been frequently invaded by conquerers (Mughals, British, etc) who looted the wealth of a formerly rich region and left it in a state that it's trying to dig itself out of now.

      PS: Posted this because I perceived a derogatory slant in the Parent's use of the term "third world country". I find the practice of using wealth to rank nations (especially so when used to diss poor nations) quite abnoxious. I have nothing against using the term in a scientific/neutral sense.

    • by ghoul (157158) on Wednesday May 04 2005, @05:47PM (#12436390)
      India doesnt receive much direct aid from the US . Indian poor do receive a large amount of money from US based evangelical groups trying to promote Christianity in India (pretty successfully too Already 2 Indian states have become Christian Majority over the last 50 years )
      India keeps losing it best people to the US but now slowly more and more people are staying back and using their brains to run ISRO and DAE (department of Atomic Energy) instead of enriching the shareholders of IBM and Microsoft.
      There is great emphasis on tech in India . Engineers are much more respected in society than doctors or lawyers in contrast to the US so a lot of the top brains go to Engineering.
    • Why is India doing this? It is a developing nation with crushing poverty, corruption, debt, and the caste system. They can't afford the luxury on spending resources on high-tech stuff like this. They should spend on education, public health, agriculture, and social programs.

      I'm going to act as if the poster was sincere and not a troll, therefore deserving of a thoughtful answer.

      Every government is faced with the challenge of balancing the short term needs of the impoverished with the long term obliga