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Precision Gene Editing

Posted by Zonk on Fri Apr 08, 2005 06:37 PM
from the i'd-like-some-gills-please dept.
mpthompson writes "NewScientist.com is reporting that scientists at Sangamo Biosciences have developed a method of editing DNA mutations with unprecedented precision without weaving in potentially harmful foreign genetic material. Different combinations of amino acids are designed to latch on and cut the DNA at exactly the place where the mutated gene lies. This triggers the body's natural repair process which corrects the gene where the DNA was cut. The technique will be used to target diseases caused by single-gene mutations such as combined immune deficiency (X-SCID) - or bubble boy disease - and sickle cell anaemia."
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  • by bobscealy (830639) on Friday April 08 2005, @06:41PM (#12182255)
    The article only mentions cutting the DNA and then "allowing the body's natural repair processes" to do the rest - it seems that this technique could also be useful in inserting genes at precise locations in DNA instead of letting viruses and bacteria insert genetic material wherever they please? I am no genetic engineer, can anyone comment?
    • I have a feeling that this has to do with homologous recombination, where damage to a certain gene causes the chromosomes to auto-repair themselves by copying the target gene from the "good" chromosome. At least that's my take on why they would mention damaging the DNA to repair it.
    • you are completely correct. I fact, depending on how easy it is to design and make the custom zinc finger enzyme, I see this technology having far more use in research and engineering than in medicine. Many human diseases are recessive, which means both copies of a gene are defective, in which case getting a "normal" DNA template from which to repair from into a patient's cells is still a problem.
    • This triggers the body's natural repair process which corrects the gene where the DNA was cut.

      No way. Anyone knows anything knows this will really result in a crazy mutation. Maybe they could play with the part of my genome that doesn't let me create fireballs in the palm of my hand and the body will "fix" it so I can?

      Flying would be cool too.
  • Clarification (Score:3, Interesting)

    by caryw (131578) <carywiedemann AT gmail DOT com> on Friday April 08 2005, @06:42PM (#12182260) Homepage
    So this treatment actually alters the genetic code of a human? So any genetic disease would not get passed down to future generations? How is something like this administered? Our DNA is found in every cell of our body.
    --
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    • Theoretically (without knowing anything about DNA,...) you could administer it in an early fetal state where the number of cells is still low. This wouldn't help the parent but could rid the child of the gene.
    • The article states that "In the latest work, the gene was corrected in 18% of the cells treated, enough to finally make the method therapeutically viable." This would seem to actually alter the recipient cells' genetic code, but it is not completely effective over all the cells. Perhaps with time the technique will grow to the 80%, 90% or perhaps even 100% effective.
    • While I haven't read the article, I have heard a presentation on this from one of the researchers involved.

      The old technology involves the use of a retrovirus containing the correct copy of the X chromosome gene involved. This copy inserts itself (nearly randomly) into the DNA. The problem with this was that you couldn't control the point of insertion, causing a whole new set of diseases.

      The new technology involves repairing the endogenous gene sequence rather than inserting a good copy at another locus
    • In order to answer your question, i'm going to have to give a little background...

      contrary to popular belief, 99.99% of the body's cells don't keep dividing. The somatic cells of the body are replenished by stem cells and progenitor cells which act as the main copy from which all the "backup" cells are made. These cells specialize into skin cells, blood cells, and possibly nerve cells. The only way to have a permanent effect with this treatment would be to fix the mutation in the stem cells/progenitor ce

    • For many diseases, you wouldn't need to get every cell in the body, only a propotion of the cells of a specific organ, like a bunch of bone marrow cells, for example.

      The method used can vary by treatment, but in many cases, a virus is used.

  • I'm Safe.. (Score:4, Funny)

    by ackthpt (218170) * on Friday April 08 2005, @06:45PM (#12182279) Homepage Journal
    I've got PGGP - Pretty Good Gene Protection

    they say diarrhea is hereditary, it runs in the jeans...

  • by Proudrooster (580120) on Friday April 08 2005, @06:52PM (#12182338) Homepage
    Great, now the gene splicers have the equivalent of a hex editor, but still have no clue what they are editing. It's like hacking binary code out of one program and inserting into another program and somehow getting it to work.

    Until we have a better handle on Gene Expression [wikipedia.org] and how to actually interpret the genetic code we should proceed cautiously.

    To quote Dr. J. Craig Venter, Time's Scientist of the year (2000).

    "We know far less than one per cent of what will be known about biology, human physiology, and medicine.
    My view of biology is 'We dont know shit.' "


    If any am being overcautious or am ill-informed please feel free to correct me. I try to live by the motto, "Just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should." This applies to System Administration as much as it does to gene-hacking.
    • like the 'bubble boy' defect mentioned in the article, we often know the specific bit of code that causes the problem.

      "IL-7 signalling pathway

      Most cases of SCID are derived from mutations in the c chain in the receptors for interleukins IL-2, IL-4, IL-7, IL-9 and IL-15. These interleukins and their receptors form part of the IL-7 signalling pathway.

      The IL-2 receptor (IL-2R) gene is located on the X chromosome and mutation of this gene causes X-linked SCID.

      Janus kinase-3 (JAK3) is an enzyme that mediate
      • In certain isolated cases this has found to be true, but Dr. Richard Strohman, from UC Berkley wrote this.

        "Genes exist in networks, interactive networks which have a logic of their own. The [gene] technology point of view does not deal with these networks. It simply addresses genes in isolation. But genes do not exist in isolation. And the fact that the [biotech] industry folks don't deal with these networks is what makes their science incomplete and dangerous."
        Dr. Richard Strohman, Professor Emeritus
        • germ line changes.

          If a person has a terminal disease, somatic changes may or may not help, but they aren't likely to cause more damage than the disease.

          And by the time they have a terminal (or even chronic) disease, you can get a pretty good idea how "the organism will express it's genes".

          Treating disease in somatic cells is a much different issue from creating new lines of plants/animals/humans via changing germ line cells--at least in organisms that reproduce sexually.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Great, now the gene splicers have the equivalent of a hex editor, but still have no clue what they are editing.
      Oh great, I can just imagine:

      Razor 1911 brings you the penis extension hack.
      Sequence cracked by: PhARAOh

      GREETZ to MadKillas, Beowulf, Syxus, Toast, Trilithium.
    • Great, now the gene splicers have the equivalent of a hex editor, but still have no clue what they are editing. It's like hacking binary code out of one program and inserting into another program and somehow getting it to work.

      This isn't entirely true. We can figure out where a gene starts in DNA, and we know how to read the DNA into a protein. We know that from the start point, DNA is broken up into 3's such that each set of three DNA bases code for one amino acid. To use the case of sickle cell anemi
    • Your right in that this doesn't give us the ability to do really novel gene manipulation.

      But it does give us the ability to create the equivalent of patch files for bad/defective genes when a good/functional version of the gene is available.

      There are many genetic diseases where the mistake in the DNA is well characterized, and it is very clear exactly what difference between the normal version of the gene and the defective version causes the disease, even if we don't have a full understanding of what th

  • Mutations... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by John Seminal (698722) on Friday April 08 2005, @06:57PM (#12182385) Journal
    That is how nature changes people, that is how humans evolved to what we are today. I dunno how smart it is messing with mother nature. So far, mother nature has been able to keep things going well for thousands and thousands of years. But for some human to say, I am not happy living to 80 years old, I want to live to 90 years old, that is a risky proposition considering they are not using standard medicine, but messing with DNA. Maybe what would have happened naturally now won't.

    I think there is a natural equilibrium between nature and gene mutations. When the hand of man starts changing one side of the equation, can the consequences on the otherside be foreseen? For example, who is to say that some form of cancer today won't mutate to something 1,000 years from now that will save humanity from some enviormental change?

    • in 500 years, and between then and now millions of people suffer painful deaths to avoid changing something that might be helpful in the case of your hypothetical event?

      Anyway, there is the whole somatic vs. germ line thing, if genetic engineering is limited to somatic cells, changes won't be passed on to children (unless we start reproducing via mitosis).
    • If you read Barbara McClintock's work and modern genetics, you'll see there are three events to worry about; mutations, exchanges with external organisms (virus, etc) and cross-overs. (genes exchanged during replication). Some people working with GA's have found that you don't need mutations at all, as cross-over events will give you all the variability you could want.

      To answer your question, think of sickle-cell anemia. One copy of the gene, and you're resistant to malaria (but not immune, i.e. it sim
  • by G4from128k (686170) on Friday April 08 2005, @07:09PM (#12182477)
    TFA noted that the zinc fingers cue in on two sets of 6 base pairs to find the site that needs correction. Assuming randomness in the base-pair sequences, this 12 base-pair key will bind with approximately 1 out of every 16.8 million (actually 1 out of every 8.4 million due to complementarity of the base pairs). Given that the human genome has about 3.2 billion base pairs, this means that the modifier will match in 381 positions more or less.

    Thus, this method will fix the error in one place and introduce an error in 380 other locations. The key needs more than 16 base pairs to be statistically assured of homing in on a unique mutation (depending on the statistics of DNA, it may need more or less).
  • by cinnamon colbert (732724) on Friday April 08 2005, @07:10PM (#12182492) Journal
    I have not read the article, but repair processes can be "error prone". That is, the mechanisms cells use to repair DNA often involve high error rates.

    The human genome is 3e9 BP long (roughly..not counting indels, the unsequenced centromeres, etc etc)

    So the chemical process of identifying the one single mutated basepair has to have a chemical specificity of >>1e9, because there are >>1e6 cells that are exsposed. That is, lets say you feed the reagent to a person. Millions of cells, each with 1e9 bp, are expsosed. Say the process has an error rate of 1e10 - many, many cells will have incorrect repairs done
    This is just like error rates in, say, reading data from a harddrive: the larger the file, the lower the error rte has to be

    What /.ers may not appreciate is that typically, it is VERY, repeat VERY hard to get chemcial reaction specificity of anywhere close to 1e9 for reactions invovling DNA.

    I will rtfa,
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Yeah, but you have to ask yourself whether the elevated rate of DNA repair is significant compared to the constant repair going on due to standard ROS/RNS/other radical attacks.

      And their current results of the 18% corrected rate, as they point out, is therapeutically effective.

      Plus, their recognition system using zinc fingers may have a higher recognition rate for the targeted sequence, and the corrections are applied to only a small area of DNA - so the overall error rate of DNA replication/repair is spr
  • Really, emacs is a whole lot of stuff that just happens to have text editing functionality along with it, so why not genes?
  • by Locke2005 (849178) on Friday April 08 2005, @07:18PM (#12182550)
    Pharmacorp executive: "Let's see now, we can sell them a one-time treatment that cures them for the rest of their lives, OR we can charge them $1000/month for drugs to maintain their current status for the rest of their lives... well, obviously we'll choose the method that is best for the patient's well being, our profits be damned! I mean, it's not like we have a board of directors that will sack us if our revenues don't increase every quarter!"
  • by RhettLivingston (544140) on Saturday April 09 2005, @08:49AM (#12186792)
    If they were to concentrate this work on Myotonic Muscular Dystrophy, they could likely achieve a success very quickly. It is caused by an unstable CTG sequence of DNA that expands in length when replicated. The progression of the disease is characterized by the number of expansions. Since it is an unstable sequence and of little use, simply cutting it out of all DNA should "cure" the disease. I put the "cure" in quotes because reversing the damage is likely not possible, but it could at least eliminate it from future generations and stop the progression.
  • the article (Score:3, Informative)

    by bikerguy99 (650704) on Saturday April 09 2005, @09:32AM (#12186996)
    Highly efficient endogenous human gene correction using designed zinc-finger nucleases

    FYODOR D. URNOV1, JEFFREY C. MILLER1, YA-LI LEE1, CHRISTIAN M. BEAUSEJOUR1, JEREMY M. ROCK1, SHELDON AUGUSTUS1, ANDREW C. JAMIESON1, MATTHEW H. PORTEUS2, PHILIP D. GREGORY1 & MICHAEL C. HOLMES1

    1 Sangamo BioSciences, Inc. Pt. Richmond Tech Center 501, Canal Blvd, Suite A100 Richmond, California 94804, USA
    2 Department of Pediatrics and Department of Biochemistry, University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, 5323 Harry Hines Blvd, Dallas, Texas 75390, USA

    Correspondence should be addressed to M.C.H. (mholmes@sangamo.com) or M.H.P. (matthew.porteus@UTSouthwestern.edu); requests for materials should be addressed to M.C.H.

    Permanent modification of the human genome in vivo is impractical owing to the low frequency of homologous recombination in human cells, a fact that hampers biomedical research and progress towards safe and effective gene therapy. Here we report a general solution using two fundamental biological processes: DNA recognition by C2H2 zinc-finger proteins and homology-directed repair of DNA double-strand breaks. Zinc-finger proteins engineered to recognize a unique chromosomal site can be fused to a nuclease domain, and a double-strand break induced by the resulting zinc-finger nuclease can create specific sequence alterations by stimulating homologous recombination between the chromosome and an extrachromosomal DNA donor. We show that zinc-finger nucleases designed against an X-linked severe combined immune deficiency (SCID) mutation in the IL2Rbold italic gamma gene yielded more than 18% gene-modified human cells without selection. Remarkably, about 7% of the cells acquired the desired genetic modification on both X chromosomes, with cell genotype accurately reflected at the messenger RNA and protein levels. We observe comparably high frequencies in human T cells, raising the possibility of strategies based on zinc-finger nucleases for the treatment of disease.

    Most human monogenic disorders remain difficult to treat because therapeutic transgenes do not undergo homologous recombination (HR) into the mutated locus1, 2, and gene addition by virus-driven random integration remains a challenge owing to transgene silencing, improper activity or misintegration3, 4. Furthermore, targeted alteration of DNA sequence in vivo--in principle, a powerful basic research technique for studying genome function--in mammals requires sophisticated targeting vectors and drug-based selection1, 2, which limits the use of this approach5-7.

    The C2H2 zinc-finger, originally discovered in Xenopus8, is the most common DNA binding motif in all metazoa9. Each finger recognizes 3-4 base pairs of DNA via a single alpha-helix10, 11, and several fingers can be linked in tandem to recognize a broad spectrum of DNA sequences with high specificity12-14. Engineered zinc-finger protein (ZFP)-based DNA binding domains with novel specificities have been extensively applied in vivo to target various effector domains12, 15. Work from the Chandrasegaran laboratory has shown that a ZFP can be coupled to the nonspecific DNA cleavage domain of the Type IIS restriction enzyme, FokI, to produce a zinc-finger nuclease (ZFN)16, which then cuts the DNA sequence determined by the ZFP16, 17. An important specificity mechanism derives from the requirement that two ZFNs bind the same locus, in a precise orientation and spacing relative to each other, to create a double-strand break (DSB; Fig. 1a)17. One mechanism by which eukaryotic cells heal DSBs is homology-directed repair (Fig. 1b)18-20, which transfers information missing at the break from a homologous DNA molecule (Fig. 1b). Work from the Jasin laboratory21, followed by that of others22, 23, demonstrated that the endonuclease I-SceI can potentiate HR into loci previously engineered to contain its own recognition site, and the Carroll24, 25 and Baltimore26 laboratories have shown that a ZFN-invoked DSB increases the rate of HR in model systems.

    Figure
    • I would say that's a bit paraniod, and possibly based on some educational time spent watching the sci-fi channel.

      Science is full of ethical questions, bio-sciences especially. What we can do we will do ( as a race ), that's a proven fact. It's better to do what we will do in the open, in front of many eyes, instead of being done in a third world country for some wacked out group intent on bringing their own version of reality to pass.
      • While the gp was really just being flamebait, there is a significant element of danger in genetic engineering.

        Example: biobricks are really advancing, and you can already get custom genes made for a price that anyone can afford. Lets say that biobricks advance to the point where it's relatively trivial to make a gene that produces proteins that create Sarin, for example (or perhaps a different nerve agent with a longer life). You insert the gene into a common strain of phytoplankton found all over the gl
      • Science is full of ethical questions, bio-sciences especially. What we can do we will do ( as a race ), that's a proven fact. It's better to do what we will do in the open, in front of many eyes, instead of being done in a third world country for some wacked out group intent on bringing their own version of reality to pass.

        Just lable the experiments as labratories making weapons of mass destruction. LOL. Bomb. Invade. Elect pro-western government. Move on to next country.

        But seriously. With genetic eng

    • by thanasakis (225405) on Friday April 08 2005, @06:43PM (#12182266)
      If sick people can get cured by something like this, we can't afford not to exploit it.

      Let's just not forget that there is not such thing as evil knowledge. The way we use it makes good or evil.
      • Devil's Advocate; There must be a point at which it no longer makes sense to spend resources and risk opening Pandora's Box just to save sick people. People die.

        GE is the technological revolution to shame them all, and will have massive impact on our society.

        That said, I'm all for it, and will be first in line for gills.

    • Errr...only if you affect the germ cells (sperm&eggs). Otherwise no altered trait can be passed along.

    • While I see where you are coming from, this process is no different than surgery on a fundamental level. Similar to removing a tumour or cist, it is a proceedure that if done properly can vastly improve the quality of life for the patient. According to the article after the 'cut' is made the body repairs the strand itself, so no insertion of new genes are required.
    • "and it is among the benefits of science that it equips the future for its duties."

      -- Alfred North Whitehead, 1927
    • by bennomatic (691188) on Friday April 08 2005, @06:46PM (#12182294) Homepage
      There are indeed dangers, but we've been doing this sort of thing for thousands of years; breeding of animals and plants is an old, old practice.

      I know people who are geneticists, and who work in a lab where they are able to essentially make a mouse to order. You want one that grooms obsessively, here you go! Want one that glows in the dark? You got it. Just because they do it through genetic manipulation rather than breeding doesn't make it any more evil than other means.

      What it does do is accelerate our ability to learn about life. Should we take things in measured steps? Absolutely! We should also have been more careful about asbestos, lead based paint, DDT, agent orange and more. But should we ignore these amazing advances? Absolutely not!

      • ... we've been doing this sort of thing for thousands of years; breeding of animals and plants is an old, old practice.

        ... a lab where they are able to essentially make a mouse to order. You want one that grooms obsessively, here you go! Want one that glows in the dark?

        I think there's a slight difference between selective breeding (which determine which of the genes already present in the species get expressed) and introducing new genes which were never before found in that species.

        I see nothing wron

        • Yeah, I got that "my argument could be better" feeling in the pit of my stomache as I was writing, but I figured enough people would know what I meant. I'd thank you for the constructive criticism, but it was mostly just criticism.

          So, thanks for the criticism :-)

    • by nebaz (453974) on Friday April 08 2005, @06:47PM (#12182298)
      Before the first atom bomb was detonated, there were some scientists that thought that the nuclear reaction would spread and ignite the entire atmosphere. Despite their reservations, the tests were done anyway. Screwing up has never been a risk people considered worthy enough to stop a scientific experiment.
      • Before the first atom bomb was detonated, there were some scientists that thought that the nuclear reaction would spread and ignite the entire atmosphere. Despite their reservations, the tests were done anyway. Screwing up has never been a risk people considered worthy enough to stop a scientific experiment.

        Yeah, that made me feel good about the USA. President Truman was told, we are doing the math, and we are 35% done, and so far we have not found a spike in the graph which indicates the nuclear explosio

      • And the reason we went ahead and tested nukes? It was because those "scientists" could not come up with any better theories than crackpot ravings. They were ignored because their argument had no merit. If we held back everytime someone mentions eternal doom, we'd have never struck a flint into some tinder.
    • "short term good"? This has the potential to eradicate several crippling diseases and increase the quality of life of an innumerable number of people. You're going to have to give a better reason against gene therapy than "you're acting as god." You're personal religious opinions are not welcome in a diverse global arena, which is (or ought to be) tailored toward the pursuit of the greater good. You only serve to alienate those of us who may not subscribe to the notion that scientific progress runs cou
    • by ciroknight (601098) on Friday April 08 2005, @06:56PM (#12182378)
      Forgive me for not believing in your esoteric views of this "God" character nobody has any proof of, but I feel genetic manipulation is going to be one of the few things that allow us (the human race) to continue existing.

      As time goes on, we defeat simple diseases such as the bubonic plague, then upgrade to tougher ones like smallpox. We're now at the point where the only communicable diseases that are seriously fatal are biologically engineered bacteria, and viruses. On top of that, we've still got Cancer to worry about, which is kicking our asses.

      While it may be cheaper to produce drugs for everyone alive and distribute them to everyone, no company in their right minds would do this. But if we could figure out genetically how to teach our immune systems to deal with cancer, and certain foreign invaders, we could save millions simply by changing our children's genes.

      I think the biggest paranoia attributed to genetic engineering is the fear of change; just because we know how something works now, and we assume that it'll continue working the same way into the future, we give up the notion that we can change things for the better or for the worse. Yes, we are foulable creatures, but at the same time, we now know how to clean up our mistakes. It's far past time we take our fates into our own hands. Why use medicines that can screw up other things in our bodies when we can simply prevent the problem from occuring naturally?
    • by Tackhead (54550) on Friday April 08 2005, @06:50PM (#12182314)
      > NewScientist.com is reporting [ ...the ] technique will be used to target diseases caused by single-gene mutations such as combined immune deficiency (X-SCID) - or bubble boy disease - and sickle cell anaemia."
      >
      > Just wondering.

      Funny you should ask. I just got this video from Paul Simon.

      It's a turn-around jump shot
      It's everybody jump start
      It's every moderator throws a hero up the crackpipe
      Singin' filk is magical and magical is pain, think of the boy in the plastic bubble
      I'm a Slashbot with a baboon brain

      (And I believe)
      These are the days of lasers on a shark's head,
      Lasers on a shark's head somewhere,
      Staccato signals of constant information,
      A loose affilliation of megabytes
      And gigabytes and baby...

      These are the days of miracle and wonder,
      This is a long-distance boast,
      The way the duplicate posts appear in slo-mo,
      The way we go for first post.

      The way we look to a Netcraft BSD troll,
      That's dying like a server at NewSci,
      These are the days of miracle and wonder
      And don't cry baby, don't cry...

    • Actually, the simple process of removing blood from the body is not mutagenic - for example, think of blood transfusions, where blood is not only removed from the body, but frozen and stored.

      Also, the large percentage of blood consisting of the red blood cells and platelets don't actually have any DNA in them to be mutated - these cells don't have nuclei.

      Finally, in bone marrow transplants, one method of collecting the marrow cells to transplant is to hook the donor up to a machine through which their b