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Images of Ocean Floor Show Effects of Tsunami
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Zonk
on Fri Feb 11, 2005 01:05 PM
from the chaos-theory-in-action dept.
from the chaos-theory-in-action dept.
Iphtashu Fitz writes "This week the UK's Royal Navy presented images taken by the survey ship HMS Scott of the damage to the floor of the Indian Ocean that triggered the tsunami two months ago. The Scott has a high-resolution multi-beam sonar that let it generate highly detailed images of the sea floor, some 200m to 5000m below sea level. An image showing the scale of the damage, and the full presentation made by the Commanding Officer of HMS Scott (38MB PowerPoint) are available. The presentation contains a number of images that have more detail than those available on the websites."
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Save the server - download through Dijjer (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Save the server - download through Dijjer (Score:3, Insightful)
BitTorrent (Score:4, Informative)
https://orby.orb.com/~jehan/Earthquake%20presen
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Down already? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Down already? (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Down already? (Score:3, Funny)
And I guess that may explain why my connection is so slow today, since I'm on the same exchange
Re:Down already? (Score:3, Funny)
British Techie sitting next to server room, sipping a cup of tea: Nigel, what's that sudden buzzing sound?
Not very nice (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, they'll like that! (Score:3, Funny)
I hope the British readers here didn't have any urgent business with the UK Hydrographic Office site!
Re:Oh, they'll like that! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Oh, they'll like that! (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes actually. I use it frequently to get tide predictions so I know where's safe (or will have good conditions) to go windsurfing. Good job I'm not going sailing tomorrow or I'd be proper pissed at not being able to get that data.
Does this mean... (Score:4, Funny)
~UP
We Sank Their Battleship! (Score:5, Funny)
Slashdotters' guns were aimed and requests were comin' fast,
The first link hit the website, they knew she couldn't last,
That mighty Naval server room is just a memory,
"Avenge the Bismarck" was the battle cry, sent over TCP.
We found the freakin' powerpoint that's makin' such a fuss!
We slashdotted the website 'cause the world depends on us!
It hit the front page runnin, when we spun our browsers 'round,
Yeah, we found the Royal Navy, and then we shut 'er down!
With apologies to Johnny Horton's Sink the Bismarck, 1960 [allthelyrics.com], and those who served aboard both the Hood and the Bismarck.)
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Re:Does this mean... (Score:3, Informative)
In other news... (Score:4, Funny)
***ERROR! Ignorance tolerance overload! (Score:3, Insightful)
BZZZT! The surface of the earth cannot be damaged. Changed, yes, but not damaged. Unless you're suggesting that we need to get back to Pangaea somehow.
Look, there are natural tectonic processes that have been going on for as long as the earth existed. Volcanoes and earthquakes are CONSTANTLY reshaping the surface of the earth. THIS IS NOT DAMAGE. This is normal behavior for the ecosystem.
Next we'll be hearing that the predator/prey relationship needs to be banned because it damages animal populations, or that animals need to poop more because the coprophilic bacterial populations are abnormally low.
Re:***ERROR! Ignorance tolerance overload! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:***ERROR! Ignorance tolerance overload! (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:***ERROR! Ignorance tolerance overload! (Score:5, Funny)
BZZZT! The surface of your car cannot be damaged. Changed, yes, but not damaged. Unless you're suggesting that we need to get back to car body perfection.
Look, there are accidental collisions that have been going on for as long as cars have existed. Cars and trucks are CONSTANTLY reshaping the surface of other vehicles. THIS IS NOT DAMAGE. This is normal behavior for the ecosystem.
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Re:***ERROR! Ignorance tolerance overload! (Score:4, Interesting)
Now, to refute your refutation.
The car is a human artifact. It exists solely because human beings created it. It has a purpose to its existence. When any circumstance makes it less fit for its purpose, we call the result "damage." I don't think you can disagree that this is the generally accepted view of things.
On the other hand, if I take my dented car to an auto-body shop, an old-school one where they still fix things instead of ordering replacement panels, I will find that they dent the car further, and drill holes in it, and scrape it with abrasives. Are these damage? I would suggest not, since these, in the end, make the car more fit for its intended purpose.
(I think I have here the beginnings of a Theory of Intelligent Design for cars.)
"Damage to an ecosystem" must not be semantically entwined with "changes to the ecosystem." Human ecological catastrophes must not be confused with natural ecological changes. Otherwise you will get anti-environmentalists excusing human damage to ecosystems as one more example of nature red in claw and fang, humans as the ultimate predator and shaper of their environments. Beaver dams changing the course of a stream? Normal. Humans building a hydroelectric dam that floods hundreds of square miles? Hey, why not? Beavers do it, right?
Anyway - that's my point (one of them, at least). Start calling natural events damaging...and you've handed the anti-environmentalists a get-out-of-jail-free card. "Sure, we've eradicated 43 species this year - but giant meteors from space have historically done 1,000 times more damage! So it's OK!"
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Re:***ERROR! Ignorance tolerance overload! (Score:5, Insightful)
Come on now, you're not even attempting to understand what they are talking about. I don't know how this was modded insightful, but it is damage my friend. Animals died, habitats were destroyed, plant life uprooted/moved/destroyed, rare/endangered species killed (not that I know for a fact, can't see the webpage). This is damage. It doesn't matter that these animals would die eventually anyway, it doesn't matter that in 200,000 years that piece of ocean floor won't exist anymore.
Your cocky presumptiousness does not bely intelligence, it belies a refusal to understand something. Damaged, changed, modified, whatever it all means the same thing. And gee, the two "ridiculous" examples you list probably already happen somewhere in the world! People hunt to keep animal populations down (those bastard deer come to mind); I'm sure somewhere in the world predators are being kept away from herbavors to "protect" the herbavors from being "damaged". Hmm, maybe we should just ban the word "damaged", because obviously every thing that happens in the universe is due to nature. Therefore everything that happens would have happened eventually anyway, and it can not possibly be considered damage because it is "all in the natural order of things."
Why don't you use your self-proclaimed knowledge for something useful, like understanding that words can mean multiple things and not everything people write about is a semantic argument?
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It's still "damage" (Score:3, Insightful)
I wouldn't say it's not damage, I would rather say that it's this type of damage is just a normal part of the Earth's processes. It's still damage, although I understand your point that that is probably too abstract for Joe Public to grasp by him/herself, and so the term is misleading to the public, who only think of damage in purely negative terms.
Next we'll be hearing that the predator/prey relationship needs to be banned because it damages animal populations
Similar but true: For a long time people tho
tsunami WAS the effect, not the cause (Score:5, Insightful)
I think people really really like saying "tsunami". Too bad most don't even pronounce it the right way.
The floor was not the effect of the tsunami, it was the effect of the earthquake, of which the tsunami was also an effect.
See, I like saying "tsunami" too!
tsunami. tsunami. tsunami.
Sheer unbridled stupidity (Score:4, Interesting)
Can someone please reply with sites that are like slashdot but not run by monkeys?
Re:Sheer unbridled stupidity (Score:3, Funny)
Nothin' to it!
Re:Sheer unbridled stupidity (Score:5, Funny)
"Every time a server burns, a torrent gets its wings."
I could be wrong.
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38 Mb File Brings Limey Navy to a Stop (Score:4, Funny)
British Royal Naval Communications brought to a halt today. Somehow a Naval Report on the latest Tsunami damage was linked to Popular IT Community Web Site SlashDot.org. The resulting Bandwith usage rates shot to am alarming rate, and crippled Data Communications to Royal Naval Forces, and forced the Royal Navy to respond, by issuing the following Statement. "Koh! Blimey! We've been knackered by the BOFHs'!"
Not the tsunami... (Score:3, Informative)
Article text (Score:5, Informative)
The Royal Navy's survey ship HMS Scott has collected unique images of the Indian Ocean seabed in the vicinity of the devastating tsunami earthquake epicentre.
The work, announced last month by the Ministry of Defence, is being carried out in order to further the understanding of earthquakes and assist prediction of such events in the future. It will be of considerable benefit to the Asia region as a whole and potentially give a global perspective.
HMS Scott's tasking is a non-military role that will provide bathymetric ( measuring the depth of water ) and geological assessment of the Asian earthquake epicentre and extended fracture zone. To assist with this, scientists from the Southampton Oceanography Centre and the British Geological Survey have embarked in the ship.
The depth of water in the vicinity of the epicentre varies between 200m to 5000m which is well within HMS Scott's capability using her high-resolution multi-beam sonar.
The epicentre lies within the Indonesian Exclusive Economic Zone, and the survey itself follows discussions with the Indonesian Government about HMS Scott's potential value in furthering the understanding of the earthquake and future risk prediction. The survey falls under the definition of Marine Scientific Research under United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).
Survey imagesHMS Scott's survey will provide the 'base map' for future extensive research into the process of how earthquakes work; this is a crucial moment to conduct such research.
While HMS Scott is not directly involved in the humanitarian relief effort, her survey work in the vicinity of the epicentre is of significance to the scientific community in furthering the understanding of the tsunami.
HMS Scott deployed from the UK in November 2004 in order to undertake a programme of work in the North Atlantic, Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean and is scheduled to return to the UK in June 2005.
1500m??? (Score:5, Informative)
The collision has forced up spectacular large thrust ridges up to 1500 m high...
New ridges nearly a mile high?!? Well, that certainly explains the little wave it made...
this is stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
These stories that reference some outside source are useless half of the time, because the source instantly becomes unavailable for a few hours until some new story comes up. It's getting really old.
Cause and Effect (Score:5, Insightful)
Images of Ocean Floor Show Effects of Tsunami
The damage to the ocean floor was a result of the cause of the tsunami - not the effect thereof. Tsunamis do not damage the ocean floor until they get into very shallow water (i.e. the coastline).
Major slip (Score:5, Informative)
NEWSFLASH!!! (Score:4, Funny)
Did anyone happen to get the entire presentation and have a torrent up somewhere?
Follow up story (Score:5, Funny)
A spokesman from the British Navy said "right that's it, we've left the buggers alone since 1812 but that does it."
In related news Slashdot is being re-hosted from Camp Delta, along with any remaining members of the editing team.
In related news... (Score:3, Funny)
Also, a big monster with a head like an squid is walking from there to Tokio. Press there don't know if call it Godzilla, or if they must call Godzilla to save them.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force... (Score:5, Funny)
NOAA Bulletins from the Scott (Score:5, Informative)
Powerpoint mirror (Score:3, Informative)
It was three times larger than first thought! (Score:5, Informative)
From AQFL [aqfl.net].
another download link (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Other Effects? (Score:4, Informative)
some links explaining black smokers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_smokers [wikipedia.org]
http://www.oceansonline.com/hydrothe.htm [oceansonline.com]
http://www.ocean.udel.edu/kiosk/bsmoker.html [udel.edu]
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Re:Short attention span (Score:4, Informative)
Didn't you see the news YESTERDAY where Bush tripled his funding request to Congress for tsunami aid to $950 million?
Oh, wait. You were too busy bashing the U.S. to let a simple thing like hitting news.google.com (where it was a top story in it's category for most of the day) get in your way.
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Re:Short attention span (Score:3, Insightful)
He wasn't bashing the US rather he was being a little critical of the US media which in my opinion, not only needs a little ribbing, but also a full on figure-four-leglock. And maybe a few kicks to the skull for good measure.
If being critical of the US media makes a person an american agitator , then forward my name to the committee of Un-American Activities.
btw, i find your username particularly ironic in contrast to the tone of post. back to the quaaludes for you, baby.
Re:Short attention span (Score:3, Insightful)
How much have you PERSONALLY given to the cause? And then, can we see how much you have spent on other, not-necessary expenses?
If you want to cast stones, one should be ready for the return volley.
Re:Short attention span (Score:3, Insightful)
Whether or not the money is sufficient, the fact remains that we're willing to spend 1000 times as much money per capita on war as on humanitarian activities. No matter how you slice it, there's something wrong there. Iraq
Re:Short attention span (Score:5, Insightful)
The lack of media coverage is just because nothing new is happening. The event has happened, and now the affected areas are entering a long rebuilding process. We're still helping them. It's just not a new story anymore. There's a reason it's called the news.
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Donations? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Short attention span (Score:5, Interesting)
-nB
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Re:'Damage' is a loaded term (Score:3, Insightful)
Heh.. I was going to make the same comment but you got it first.
When a tree grows out of the ground, it pushes soil aside -- would you then describe the ground as "damaged?" Is the moon damaged because it has craters?
The word "damage" is only meaningful in the context of human activities. As you succinctly stated, this is change, not damage.